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Just saw a bit of BBQT [shock]

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nearlyhellokitty · 20/10/2016 23:59

Seriously???

How scary was that? Polish lady saying she feels unwelcome and she gets booed, angry angry people shouting stuff which basically will do them no good. Like just triggering Article 50 without any negotiation strategy will solve anything at all (whatever your opinion on what the strategy should be!)

Although Yannis Varoufakis did say 'ovidian transformation' (the spectable of Remainers like Theresa May turning into hard Brexiters). He asked why anyone would trust them..

And Conrad Black. Why?

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smallfox2002 · 21/10/2016 11:55

Ironic that immigration was an issue in Hartlepool, where 97.5% of the town are White Britsh born.

FarAwayHills · 21/10/2016 18:49

The atmosphere on that show was very ugly. The Polish lady was very brave for speaking out and expressing the disappointment and fear felt by many other Europeans in the UK. Where is the humanity and tolerance this country used to pride itself in?

Tryingtosaveup · 21/10/2016 22:55

The humanity and tolerance are being stretched to the limit by very high levels of immigration.

Peregrina · 21/10/2016 22:57

Immigration in Hartlepool? Where from? Newcastle, Durham?

Tryingtosaveup · 22/10/2016 00:11

I did not say the immigration was in Hartlepool.

Peregrina · 22/10/2016 00:31

But unless you specify where you thought the immigration was from, it's difficult to argue that humanity and tolerance are being stretched to the limit. London has high immigration, yet appears to be more tolerant as a result. The places which are grumbling by and large are places which have little immigration. In the case of QT - it was from Hartlepool, so that place is relevant. I am not entirely joking when asked about Newcastle or Durham because some English Communities are extremely narrow in outlook and you have to live there at least 30 years before you are accepted.

jaws5 · 22/10/2016 00:34

How is the tolerance of the people in Hartlepool being stretched to the limit by immigration if 97.5% of the are not immigrants, while in London most people have no problem with it? I'm really curious to know.

jaws5 · 22/10/2016 00:35

Sorry peregrina, cross post!

jaws5 · 22/10/2016 00:36

The idea of humanity being stretched to the limit by immigration is a very chilling one, by the way.

ToujeoQueen · 22/10/2016 00:37

It's just an excuse. I work with and live next door to Eastern Europeans, we all get on and respect each other.

jaws5 · 22/10/2016 00:40

36.7% of Londoners are foreign born and only a tiny minority could vote in the referendum. London voted overwhelmingly to Remain.

pastygothboy · 22/10/2016 02:04

Oh the glorious history of Hartlepool.

Petronius16 · 23/10/2016 12:42

Biggest surprise was finding myself agreeing with Conrad Black and his analysis of the American political scene over the last twenty years. Didn't last long.

I cheered the Polish woman, UK 23 years – 'you can boo and hiss all you like, but …' Good to hear teachers standing up for themselves – but what a racist bunch and why the anger! Yanis was good, though I couldn't hear everything, 'but does it matter if they're 20, 30, 40 – they're refugees', resonated.

Couldn't help laughing a couple of times, particularly when Black made some comment about us being a great nation because we're the Country of Shakespeare. Which century was that? We were a 'great' nation when we were selfish bastards, forcing people in their own country to change their way of life, language, culture, dress etc.

Didn't one person say foreigners outnumber UK residents in prisons? Or did I mishear? Always a problem.

Total prison population (without checking) 80/90,000, foreigners 10,000

smallfox2002 · 23/10/2016 13:26

See this is where people who say that newspapers and media aren't influential and people "make their own minds up" are wrong.

Hartlepool has virtually no immigration, 5% of the entire NE population are immigrants and by far the largest concentration of this is in Newcastle which has nearly 12%.

Yet immigrants are blamed for taking jobs, impacting on services etc etc. How are people making up their own minds when this is just not possible? Because they read the media which panders to their prejudices, they confirm their biases to each other.

Of course immigration is what is wrong in Hartlepool, I mean an area with fairly high unemployment (7.8% in the North East way above national average) is always going to be attractive to new immigrants because of the abundance of jobs.

Of course immigration is what is wrong in Hartlepool, I mean it was a thriving town in the 1980's with no deep seated problems, ship building was still thriving right, it didn't stop in the 1960s.

Tryingtosaveup · 23/10/2016 21:03

I didn't mention Hartlepool.
However there are areas of very high immigration in the UK and this is a concern to many people.

smallfox2002 · 23/10/2016 21:04

The cast majority of areas of high EU immigration voted to remain though.

smallfox2002 · 23/10/2016 21:05

And the areas that voted to leave tend to have very low levels of immigration.

Corcory · 24/10/2016 00:47

Sorry just come back to this thread since been away over the weekend. Red - On Friday you said 'B-O-L-L-O-C-K-S to my comments about the Hartlepool audience reaction to the Polish lady. Can I point out that I had just listened to that part of QT on iPlayer and stated exactly what was said and when the booing happened. Sorry but you really are showing up your own prejudice there Red.

TheElementsSong · 24/10/2016 08:59

I too have rewatched the clip multiple times.

She said "I feel no longer welcome by 52% of the voters..." and then the boos started before she said anything else. She feels that way. Was she wrong to have that particular feeling? Or just to voice it?

Only then, after asking to be allowed to finish and saying "You can comment and boo me in a minute" did she say the rest.

She was indeed wrong to hurt the feelings of non-xenophobic Leavers by what she then said; however, I would not surprised if that wasn't what she had intended to imply but got thoroughly flustered by the hostility of the audience to her initial comment.

Peregrina · 24/10/2016 09:08

I don't know Hartlepool, but I do know small minded narrow communities where everyone has lived there going back to the year dot and is related to everyone else, and are completely hostile to anyone from outside. Not surprisingly, if their children break away, they don't usually go back. Someone will tell me I don't speak for everyone, and I don't pretend to - it's my experience.

prettybird · 24/10/2016 09:50

Just to support what TheElementsSong says, here is a YouTube clip of the lady saying "I feel...." and requesting that the audience listen to what she has to say before booing.

You can judge for yourself who has accurately reflected the incident.

smallfox2002 · 24/10/2016 10:09

Cocory is wrong again, who would have thunk it?

Peregrina · 24/10/2016 10:20

The audience around her started scowling as soon as she began to speak. My impression is that they don't like to have their racism highlighted.

If I am correct, I believe Corcory has a vision of the country being more open to all nationalities. This to me is a perfectly laudable desire, but I do think she is going to be disappointed.

smallfox2002 · 24/10/2016 10:29

The information want all immigrants to be treated the same rhetoric was always an extremely naive hope. You can't stir anti immigrant rhetoric the way ukip and he press ha e and expect that.

gratesnakes · 24/10/2016 10:45

The Hartlepool monkey hanging story is a myth. If you don't know Hartlepool please don't make snobbish assumptions about it purely based on a UKIP claque on QT.