So, this extra money for the NHS........

[BertrandRussell]

........that isn't going to happen. Can someone explain it to me? It's not just the bus, by the way- it's this as well. Sorry about the distasteful Gove pic......

All of your posts on the thread regarding citizenship are of the dog whistle nature to be fair and others have challenged you on it.

You make me laugh, because essentially when challenged on the facts you take the argument in this direction,

Your first input into this thread was:

"The 350 million we do pay is real, we won't have to spend that when we have left. Real money. Real.
This 66 billion is another grand scare tactic that will turn out to be as real as David Cameron's world war 3."

So not only have your claims about the money been proved to be false, or the EU "telling us what to do" but your Cameron claim was also erroneous. So in reality you attack me because I counter you and you have nothing to come back with.

Living up to your reputation.

The actual figure I heard on Radio 4 was about £260 Million net, not sure where you get the £90 from and I'm suggesting your spreading false propaganda for the sake of it.

Ok, so instead of having a discussion about it, we will just throw insults???

I remember a figure of around £90. Maybe I am wrong. I don't have a copy of the program to hand.

But even the basics.

£350 million paid in
£150 rebate

that does not =£260 million does it? Even if you don't take into account the subsidies etc.

Just as I am challenging you on calling me racist. You can't just throw that about and then come back with inklings and phrases about dog whistles!?

You haven't found one single post that you can leap on as proof, unlike your disgusting disablist post. Keep on telling me how incredibly intelligent and rich you are small, it never gets boring

fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

"So overall we paid in £8.5 billion more than we got back, or £23 million a day.

The Treasury figures note payments the EU makes directly to the private sector, such as research grants. In 2013, these were worth an estimated £1.4 billion, so including them could reduce our net contribution further still."

So all of the payments made to the UK would work out at 7.1bn per year, about £136 million a week net payment.

So the £350 million figure is utterly wrong, further to this a 0.5% decrease in growth wipes this net contribution from the tax take entirely.

Using cost benefit analysis the access to the free market is worth far more to the economy that this figure in terms of GDP and generated tax take ( EU migrants in their first year pay in 2.5bn more than they get in benefits for example). EU membership comes out as a significant net present benefit figure.

Further up thread there was a debate about the semantics of what would happen to the money, had it actually existed. "We send £350 million a week to Brussles, lets fund our NHS instead" is pretty explicit about where the money was going, you can try to say that it was a we could fund our NHS claim, but it wasn't.

It was brilliant post truthism, a falsely large figure and an appeal to emotion.

"IamWendy The posts from you I remember are not overtly racist. But the tone of your posts is unpleasant and aggressive whilst the content leaves much to be desired. On Brexit threads you post empty platitudes and parrot hollow and shallow Brexit rhetoric repeatedly showing lack of empathy to MNetters who are looking for support because they are directly affected by Brexit. That is a disgusting attitude Wendy whether your posts are explicitly using racist or xenophobic terminology your attitude is such that have little kindness to spare for anyone who might be worried about the changes since the referendum. Sneery, aggressive and bringing absolutely nothing to the discussion other than hot air*.

If be happy with quotes where I'm even just a tiny bit racist, doesn't have to be overtly racist, just a little bit. Go on, go ahead and scour my posts again.... but spoiler alert! You won't find any. You are just throwing the term racist about.

I see small fox is OK with using offensive language about disabled people, but a poster who she has a beef with is racist just because she says so

Hear that noise? its you scrapping the barrel because you can't intellectually justify your arguments

The desperation to infer I was using disablist language when the meaning of the word has evidently changed:

Oxford English dictionary:
Informal
A stupid person.
‘we can't let these thoughtless morons get away with mindless vandalism every weekend’

It was in that way that the phrase was used and not ( as you are citing in desperation) in the usage of the early 20th century.

However on the other thread you remarks regarding another poster: "Wanting to remain a citizen of Europe" rather than registering as a British national, definitely offer a candid view of your views.

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And yet, your post had been removed???

Yes because you reported it. Now being twee and saying: " Oh its disablist" when you behave how you do here is rather funny.

I'm still correct, the context in which the term was used was within modren usage which is not disablist. Your inflammatory posts ( which I will not report because I want them to stand so people can see your approach) are far more offensive.

Come on, challenge me on the £350 million, you stated it was real.

Small, its been fun but I'm going to call or a day, as I don't think we are going to agree on anything but that's OK, I don't need to defend the campaign, or spend hours typing up essays on why i think I'm right (yawn) because it's done. We are leaving!

We pay around £350 million in and get get about £100 million back. Where is the argument?

We don't pay 350 million because the rebate never leaves us.

Our net contribution is about 132 million a week.

According to the More or Less programme, based on 2014 figures, we pay £280 million per week (after the rebate), and receive back £90 million for farmers and regional aid and £50 million investment in UK businesses each week, leaving a net cost of £140 million a week.

A clip of Gisela Stuart is included in that programme, saying that the UK sends £350 million a week to the EU and if she had control of it she would spend it on the NHS.

It also pointed out that the head of the UK statistics authority has repeatedly called the Leave campaign's figures misleading.

Link here

If only more people listened to Radio 4 ...