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Westministenders Continues. The one where are being grateful for having a Boris rather than a Trump and UKIP show Labour how it’s done.

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RedToothBrush · 04/08/2016 22:18

THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD TWELVE

The calm of the eye of the storm is upon us. The signs are there that more trouble is ahead. What now for Brexit, the blank cheque for our future?

May’s honeymoon can only last the Summer, until she has to do some proper graft. Her Cabinet have all gone on holiday and to swat up on their new specialised subject, and by god have they got some homework to do.

Well, all of them apart from Liam Fox, who has bugger all to do for some time.

Johnson needs to… well we all know what Boris needs to do. Bend over and take it like a good boy.

Davies needs to learn the entire structure and workings of the EU and its variations of trade agreements and relationships with other nations. Juncker has the FUKD in his little black book of people who have crossed him (yes, he actually has one of these) and has put Brit Hating Barnier in charge of the EU Brexit team. Davies must somehow hold his own against this experienced EU hardnut. In French. Oh and find a permanent office.

What do the others need to learn? Hammond - how to perform a bloody miracle. Patel - it is illegal to use foreign aid as a leverage for trade deals. Leadsom – er everything? Rudd – how to do bigger assault on liberty and human rights than her mentor. Fallon – how we will afford to defend ourselves with pitch forks, especially if we can’t use Trident for some reason and it becomes necessary. Our enemy; Russia? North Korea? Turkey? Isis? Na. Trump if he wins.

Brexit is now officially in the hands Whitehall’s unbelievers. Those overstretched officials who are already saying there is a gap in their capacity to deliver what Parliament wants without additional the burden of Brexit. These discredited experts are left wondering if their challenge is, in reality, Mission Impossible, and this is made worse by the pressure that just about every senior Brexiteer seems to say is ‘easy’ despite all the mounting evidence to the contrary. Which is cold comfort to everyone who voted – Remain or Leave alike.

We still don’t even know what Brexit is. It is still something which has no coherent ideology and no clear set of prescriptions for what ailes us as a society. It is a bundle of contradictions, united chiefly by what, and who, it opposes. Whatever the problem, Brexit can fix it. Whatever the threat, internal or external, Brexit can vanquish it, and it is unnecessary for Brexiteers to explain how.

May’s plan? Some say that she is the Dear Leader, some say she is an evil genius with Larry the Cat on her lap waiting for the Brexiteer Boys to fuck it up so we can Remain, some say she is blessed by the Ghost of Thatcher but we know her as The PM. –Sorry I’ve been itching to make the May/Hammond Top Gear gag for several weeks— The truth is, we just don't know yet.

Plus anything Brexit related about the Labour and UKIP leadership and the rest of the world thrown in to boot.

This is the quest for the answers that everyone wants and trying to keep an eye on those politicians and accountability (both here and abroad in the era of post-fact politics in the trail of Brexit). There maybe no single ‘truth’ but there sure as hell is a lot of bullshit to wade through. Get your wellies out, and plough on through with us.

No experience necessary. Sense of humour required.

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Brexit Fall Out Timetable
Labour Hustings Nottinghamshire: Wednesday 17th August
Labour Hustings Birmingham: Thursday 18th August.
Labour Hustings Glasgow: Thursday 25th August.
Labour Hustings London: Thursday 1st September
UKIP Leadership Result: 15th September
Labour Leadership Result: Saturday 24th September
The Department for Exiting the European Union first question sessions in Parliament: Thursday 20th October
High Court hearing on a50: due 'no earlier than the third week in October'
US Presidential Election: 8th November
French Presidential Election 1st Round: 23 April 2017
French Presidential Election 2nd Round: 7th May 2017
German Federal Election: Between 27 August and 22 October 2017

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RedToothBrush · 04/08/2016 22:18

Summary of Brexit problems and obstacles that seem to be cropping up as its starting to become a long list:
◾ Those trade negotiators who we completely lack, seeing as all ours work for more money than the PM in Brussels and are rabid Europhiles who don’t really wish to commit career suicide to work for FUKD. Apparently the few dozen we maybe have a task akin “trying to bail an Olympic swimming pool with a thimble” and recruiting people up to the job, “isn’t like finding 300 tax collectors, it’s like finding 300 nuclear physicists.” Joy.
◾There are rumours of “funnelling a load of inexperienced fast-streamers” into the Brexit Department and deliberately not employing people with EU experience as they are worried they will be biased.
◾The sheer lack of understanding by key Brexiteers in what is involved in modern day trade agreements.
◾Those legal challenges to a50 which have forced it to the High Court to decide if it’s a Royal Prerogative or not. Clearly it’s not clear that a50 is clear. We’ll just sit twiddling our thumbs for years whilst the courts and government pretend it’s not urgent and no one is losing their jobs or industry or entire future in the meantime.
◾Those legal challenges over referendum funding which might appear especially as we get closer to the deadline date for expenses. (December folks. Watch this space)
◾The fact that a50 was written by diplomats not lawyers, with the view that it would never be used and could never be used. Mainly since you can do bugger all in 2 years when it comes to trade.
◾The fact that lots of the Lords, don’t like Brexit, as they see it as a threat to our future, and could threaten to block it.
◾The fact that limbo land doesn’t look too clever and any deal is likely to take ‘up to six years’ according to the wisdom of Hammond. (And this is felt to be conservative by many).
◾The fact that the EU have said no more money for development whilst we are in limbo. Likewise it seems for research. Of course we are obliged to pay in still. The Germans and the French are eyeing up defectors in the meantime.
◾No one will talk to us seriously about future trade deals whilst we are in Brexit limbo. (And technically we are not allowed to)
◾We seem to owe the EU a lot of money, which we’ll have to cough up before leaving
◾The EU is doing its best to remove us even though we are still a member by giving us the cold shoulder, meaning we are out of the loop already so to speak despite still being a member.
◾The implications to regional development, the city, agriculture, science, education etc all needing major restructuring to accommodate Brexit.
◾The mild inconveniences of NI and the Good Friday agreement, Scotland and Indy Ref2, Gibraltar and its 96% Remain mandate, and the crown dependencies of Guernsey, Jersey and the Isle of Man that didn’t get a vote but want a say.

And that’s not all of it. Wait until the people start getting frustrated about it not moving quickly enough and the Daily Mail, Sun and Express are unable to say that ‘Britain is Booming’ any longer. All the fault of the Brexit unbelieving Infidels of course.
Some are suggesting that Brexit will have to be resolved by an EU Treaty now, as a50 is a tool of diplomats not lawyers, and we can not pass it easily through parliament otherwise nor even take the repeal of the Common Markets Act of 1972 route which has been the answer most have suggested so far. Of course the changes are that this would require may require a referendum to pass (Of course in no way is this a ‘2nd Referendum’ folks).
There is also some suggestion that May will look to bypass Juncker completely and not let her three stooges take the lead by going straight to all 28 leaders instead. Herself.
Who is left running the country and stopping the imminent protests, strikes and even potential riots in her absence, in this scenario, is anyone’s guess.
We need to acknowledge the problems rather than pretend they don’t exist regards of how we voted and what we now think should happen.

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