Westminstenders Continues. Boris is having a bad week. Corbyn resists. Its gonna be a long summer.

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THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD ELEVEN

The dust is beginning to settle and the storm has abated. At least for the moment. The summer is about to start, and so there may be a break in proceeding.

May has had quite a first week both here and abroad.

The ground has not stopped shaking from the political ripples abroad. Made PM on Weds, Nice on Thursday and a failed coup in Turkey on Friday. The political landscape has changed once again.

At home she first cleared out the Govians and called for loyalty. She channelled the ghost of Maggie at the despatch box. She started the process of trying to make friends with Scots, Germans and the French. She is apparently now Merkel's bestie. Sturgeon is already ousted from that position after just days.

Boris, meanwhile has been rinsed by everyone he speaks to because of what he's said in the past. He's also given up his chickfeed job. Oh the hardship.

Now he looking like he's starting to regret deciding to play with the grown up. He's been trying - and it would seem, largely failing - at sucking up to the Americans. There's still no apology, but he has admitted that he has a list that is so long that he's lost track of what he needs to apologise for. I bet he's wishing for his playmates, Dave and George to come back.

Otherwise life carries on as normal, well this alternate new version of normal, with parliament breaking for the summer today. Don't worry the Martian landing is scheduled for a week Tuesday.

UKIP's polling seems to have dropped back post referendum, and things have gone rather quiet. Wolfe, Etheridge, Duffy and Arnott are all standing (Who? When did that happen? Yeah quite. Without Farage they disappeared). They plan to reform and make an assault on seats in the Labour heartlands of the provisional NW, Midlands and NE at the next general election. Hustings in August, new leader announced Sept 15th. Looks of thinly and not so thinly veiled racism to look forward to there then. The Daily Mail best make sure it upgrades its servers in time.

The Labour contest grinds on like a war of attrition. Stalking horse Angela fell at the first fence as Owen Smith (that's the MP not the journalist everyone including the media!) wins the dream unity candidate ticket for an apparent hiding to nothing against the steely stubbornness of Corbyn. Everyone with a pulse is starting to loose the will to live with it all.

The Lib Dems, have a Spokesman for Remain. Old Cleggy's back! Otherwise they seem to have been trying to do a deluded impression of the opposition party. Though with 8 MPs they aren't doing much better or worse than Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet atm.

The Green are having a leadership battle too. It must be very civilised - I've heard not a word about it. Lucas tried to get a vote about PR though the Commons. It failed. Again.

There also is a cross party idea to set up a new iniative of a progressive movement to champion Europe, which seems to be gaining some traction. It may also double as a support group for anyone who thinks the world has gone a bit nuts lately at this rate.

The SNP are pissed off, as they vow differently on everything and once again they feel that Trident has been imposed on them. Sturgeon had a good meeting with May though, and apparently the Union must remain and Scotland holds the key to the future. Though we don't know the key to which door that is - Braveheart or Brave New World.

The Republic of Ireland is making noises about a referendum about Irish Unity, but beyond that nothing about NI has really been on the radar. May is supposed to go visiting soon.

And the Welsh? Baaaaa who cares about the welsh? They made the mistake of voting Leave as well as the English and now have been forgotten, consigned to political irrelevance forever.

Article 50 has been pushed back officially until the New Year, with a first legal hearing on how to activate it due no sooner than the 3rd week in October. Leaving the EU legally will now be no earlier than 2019.

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Guns allowed, but not tennis balls - Insanity at the Republican Convention

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/22/republican-party-donald-trump-madman-in-his-castle

"Donald Trump: the madman in his castle"

"Isolated from power, the Republican party has turned inward and driven itself insane on a toxic mix of fear and rage. Trump is its natural figurehead"

Be very afraid

I hope they adopt the slogan from the 2002 French Presidential election ( Jaques Chirac vs Jean-Matie Le Pen) :

"Vote for the crook, not the fascist !"

Not sure if we've covered what happened at the British-Irish Council summit today.

But snyway, here's the guardian report: www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/22/brexit-scotland-wales-northern-ireland-eu-referendum

Apparently the leaders of Scotland, Wales, and NI are demanding a vote on any Brexit deal for the devolved parliaments.

They are clear they will not be "done over" by any deal negotiated by Westminster.

I'd really, really like a Federal UK.

My suggestion:
All 4 nations would have to agree before

• declaring war on anyone
• signing treaties or cancelling them
• changing the currency Plus
• no basing nuclear weapons within the UK without agreement of the host country

Really encouraging that the other 3 nations are cooperating so well
Now if only they can be a sensible influence on England

This is my favourite quote from the article:

Asked if he was in a more difficult position because the majority of people of Wales voted in favour of leaving the EU – while Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain – he replied bluntly: “The people of Wales voted to leave, they didn’t vote to be done over in any subsequent negotiations.”

Of course! MI5 are wholly to blame for Labours woes!

Shame there isn't any real terrorism going on to keep them busy instead

Wasn't it proved that the security forces had been out to get Harold Wilson?

Mother: I looked into the loans briefly, I would say if you are on a low to middling salary you won't finish paying off a bigger loan. The Scottish loan will be wiped clear after a longer payback period and so you can end up paying more. You need to run the numbers through the loan calculators on line to get a good picture.

Rates seemed the same.

I read that Guardian article too Tiggy.
I wonder what Merkel said to Cameron.

Hang on, are the BBC saying he had their agreement on concessions but didn't use that and it's now off the table?

What a fuck up.

I didn't know any of that about JC supporting Sinn Fein during the peace process.
As someone from NI, that's deeply horrifying. Regardless of what side of the fence you're on, you'd think cessation of violence would be something you'd push for.
Lord how we need some sort of decent opposition and urgently. Oh and I don't mean SNP.

The agreement Cameron gained in February was off the table the day after the result came in.

They are talking about talks and concessions in the last few days leading to the Referendum, not the February talks.

DH and I were talking about all of this mess over breakfast. We both feel like our lives have jumped tracks and we are now inhabiting a parallel reality. DH said it feels like one of those dystopic sci-fi "what would our world look like if Germany had won WW2?" scenarios, except weirder and more baffling.

If he was considering releasing it, then what she said must have been positive, otherwise he would not have even thought to using it.

But Remain did considered using it and later didn't, which would mean he wasn't told to stuff it.

He can't be that much of an idiot though, can he?