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Can Scotland stop Brexit, or only delay it? (and would that be useful?)

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DailyMailEthicalFail · 18/07/2016 12:34

So, after Friday, May says she wont invoke Article 50 until all 'home nations' are happy.
Obviously, Sturgeon says Scotland is not happy (despite a million Scots voting Brexit which was enough in itself to sway the balance).

1st Qu:
However it seems she has gone on to say that Scotland can 'STOP' Brexit.
I thought that the SNP lawyers had been over this immediately after the result and assumed that they couldn't, technically, or would have been speaking about it before now.

So, is there fresh info afoot, or is NS just spouting off?

2nd Qu: would it be useful if Scotland could either stop or delay it?

presumably the Stop would be wildly popular among Bremainers.
but might the delay give time for the rest of Europe to have a re-think and we could hold on in a reformed EU?

Is this what May is hoping for?
ie, stand firm on Brexit but allow NS to be the one to 'prevent' it and then they are both happy?

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DailyMailEthicalFail · 18/07/2016 23:11

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Theresa May and Nicola Sturgeon pose for the cameras in Bute House. Picture: James Glossop/Getty

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DailyMailEthicalFail · 18/07/2016 23:13

sorry. not good at links. perhaps someone could come to my aid as it's a very funny pic (from Scotsman) of NS giving May the evil eye as May determinedly ignores her! Grin

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DailyMailEthicalFail · 18/07/2016 23:18

someone below the pic has described NS as:
' a meddling wee fidget'.
I cant bear it when people describe female politicians by their appearance (which part of the rest of the comment does, which is why I've not copied it) but I do think the 'meddling wee fidget' is apt. In this pic NS expression is just like my 8 year old dd when she is planning trouble for her big brother!

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LunaLoveg00d · 19/07/2016 08:15

is NS just spouting off

Pretty much. She and her cronies have a LONG history of stating as fact things which are very far from being fact indeed. Like during the Indy Ref when they stated "Of course Scotland will continue to use the pound" when the Bank of England said they wouldn't be able to, and "Of course Scotland will stay in the EU" when the top bods in Brussels and the Spanish government said they wouldn't.

Problem is that the SNP faithful lap up every word she says and believe it implicitly - if she stood up and said she could walk on water down the Clyde some of them would believe that too.

I voted remain and would like there to be some sort of free trade, free movement deal reached for ALL of the UK. If crunch time came though, I'd still rather Scotland were with England, Wales and N Ireland than out of the UK and in the EU.

bluebloom · 19/07/2016 09:55

Akkak you're continually comparing a country to your village, that's ridiculous. Scotland is a country with a population of millions & its own parliament. A lot of us are very unhappy about the autonomy that we do lack, that's not something accepted unquestioningly. Lots of people who voted no in the indy ref did so on the basis of Cameron's promise of further devolution, something which scarcely came to pass.
All politics is soundbites when it comes down to it. NS & AS are by no means the only politicians to do this.

akkakk · 19/07/2016 16:06

Akkak you're continually comparing a country to your village, that's ridiculous.

really?! Grin

I think that perhaps you had better actually read what I wrote! I used it as a tongue-in-cheek comparison as to whether a minority group or population had the ability to self-determine government in the light of the population voting differently... not referred to it otherwise, quite how that is continual I have no idea!

I am more Scottish than anything else -well I can trace my family there back 1,000+ years, so I think we have some form of connection :) and I love the country dearly - however there is a distinct lack of realism, Scotland stands no chance of surviving on its own - I am not quite sure how much more devolution there can be when you see what is decided locally to Scotland - you can't have an area making decisions for itself which affect other areas, so there will always be a limit to devolution - and the Scottish 'Parliament' is hardly covering itself in glory with how it is running the country... Agree that all politics contains an element of sound bites, but that still makes no difference - NS doesn't have the power / legal ability / mandate to take Scotland out of the UK, or back into the EU - so to make promises when it is clear that there is no chance of making it happen is a bit poor...

HelpfulChap · 19/07/2016 16:33

NS is full of hot air.

The EU have already said Scotland would have to meet the criteria to join the EU after gaining independence. This would take years. Not sure Scotland can manage to prosper for the intervening years between leaving the UK and joining the EU.

What currency would they use? Any purely Scottish pound is very likely to be weak against their main trading partner, ie, the rest of the UK. The ecomonic forecasts the SNP made using an oil price of $130 were patently ridiculous. The average price of oil since records began is $47.

NS is trying her best to get the best for Scotland but cannot stop Brexit on her own.

If Scotland leave the UK the chances of England and Wales ever having another Labour govt are very slim.

prettybird · 19/07/2016 16:40

That old canard again. England gets the government it wants: there has only been twice in post war years where the Scottish MPs have made a difference: once with an unstable majority of one (iirc correctly) and the other an unstable minority administration.

Even if Labour had won every single seat in Scotland, we would still have a Conservative Government today Hmm

That's FPTP democracy for you. Sad

AddToBasket · 19/07/2016 20:54

I thought this short blog post explained Sturgeon's EU reception quite well.

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