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Brexit

Leavers - how do we feel about Theresa May as PM?

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Surferjet · 10/07/2016 19:16

I'm not sure I trust her.
I know she said 'Brexit means Brexit' but.....

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BertrandRussell · 12/07/2016 08:29

Thank you, Snowbells.

Draylon · 12/07/2016 10:12

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SnowBells · 12/07/2016 10:37

The weird thing is that now Theresa May is taking over, the "corporate governance" pledge she made (employee representation on boards) is quite literally stolen from the EU. It would make British companies having a more similat sysyem to Germany, for example.

This makes her VERY different from Thatcher. And it makes me think that despite forging ahead with Brexit, she values certain things the EU has after all.

user1467101855 · 12/07/2016 10:55

Thought you were all mad for democracy, Buttercup?. Shutting the disenchanted, disenfranchised out of conversations about the new pm doesn't sound very democratic.
Silencing all but one view is very Tory though, so you've got that.

Surferjet · 12/07/2016 11:27

Bit off topic, but I wonder why Labour have never had a female leader? You'd have thought being the 'party of equality' they'd have had one by now.

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Surferjet · 12/07/2016 11:29

But if Angela Eagle is the best they've got I've answered my own question.

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A4Document · 12/07/2016 12:28

Democracy - There are 650 directly elected MPs who are our main lawmakers and act in the interests of Britain, not the EU. It's possible, and logical, to be in favour of Lords reform as well as pro-Brexit. The EU is unreformable whereas Lords reform is a definite possibility.

Trade - yes, it takes time to do trade deals, of course. Complex and worthwhile tasks do take time. Doing the right thing doesn't mean avoiding anything difficult. Being in the EU has meant that the projected time for the UK making deals outside the EU has been never, as it's disallowed.

Immigration - Where did I say I wanted "all immigrants to earn more than 35K a year?" 35K sounds like a high income to me! Yes, I do think wages for farm workers should go back to normal instead of being kept artificially low. Only having to pay low wages profits unscrupulous employers more than those who pay a decent amount.

NHS - I've never said I wanted to "fire all the nurses from the EU" Shock (has anyone?) so please stop putting words in my mouth. I'm not in favour of sending anyone away. In the future, the points system would of course enable us to accept as many nurses, doctors and other health care workers as the NHS needs at any one time.

Superstate - The EU has always held this ideology: There is no conspiracy. The EU is completely open about its superstate plan

Competing with Emerging Economies - Britain has one of the strongest economies in the world and will be able to trade successfully with the emerging economies.

Money - whatever the non-linear algebra and variables, the fact remains that the EU doesn't get its money from nowhere, it comes from the taxpayers in its member states.

Science - The European Research Area (ERA) facilitates EU-funded science programmes, and includes several non-EU countries such as Iceland, Norway, Serbia, Turkey and Israel. A CaSE/EPCEU study in 2015 showed that UK science receives from the EU only about 10 per cent of the amount received from UK Research Councils. The whole EU's research and development budget is similar to the UK's yearly net payment to the EU. Just 2.3% of our contribution is then returned towards EU-funded science.

Academia and Research - again, money received from the EU is originally from the taxpayer, which goes to the EU, gets taxed heavily, and is then partly returned here.

Companies - you mention what's good for companies, and yes, that's important. But the EU is very pro big-business at the expense of smaller businesses and innovation. Only the large corporations can afford to lobby the EU continually in their own interests. Brexit will be good for British enterprise.

Experts - academic experts who often disagree? Fine. Hand-picked experts who all have identical opinions and follow the party line, presented as "independent"? Not fine.

A4Document · 12/07/2016 12:33

Silencing all but one view is very Tory though, so you've got that.

user, no-one is being "silenced". The OP opted to open a thread for leave supporters. It doesn't stop you or anyone else starting a thread where everyone can discuss Theresa May. There are several already.

user1467101855 · 12/07/2016 12:46

Actually we can talk on here, and you can lump it.
How many directly elected MEP's?
And if as you say your democratically elected MPs are your main lawmakers, why do you need to leave the EU in order to make your own laws?
Can't have it both ways.

SnowBells · 12/07/2016 13:04

A4Document

Where did I say I wanted "all immigrants to earn more than 35K a year?" 35K sounds like a high income to me!

The whole point about immigration was that people want EU citizens to be subject to the existing rules for non-EU citizens, and that would stem the flow.

Do you not know that rules put in place by Theresa May as Home Secretary and valid since April 2016 dictate that non-EU migrants must earn at least £35,000 to qualify for settlement in the UK?! It is waived for 'shortage occupations', but please define shortage, if so many Leavers say that the Eastern Europeans are taking jobs away from poor British citizens (that, by definition, means there is no shortage in those jobs).

How can you not possibly know that, given immigration features on your list!?

TheElementsSong · 12/07/2016 13:16

Academia and Research - again, money received from the EU is originally from the taxpayer, which goes to the EU, gets taxed heavily, and is then partly returned here.

Several of us who work in academia have explained that the effects of Brexit are already being felt. Are you seriously telling us that Brave New Britain is going to make up for not just the loss of funding, but of collaborative goodwill and a welcoming environment for foreign academics from the Magic Money Tree?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-36719923

Experts - academic experts who often disagree? Fine. Hand-picked experts who all have identical opinions and follow the party line, presented as "independent"? Not fine.

I believe I have tried to discuss this before. Agreement amongst a majority of experts does not imply some sort of shadowy conspiracy. It just means that they generally agree on the evidence and the broad conclusion. Then they love to battle feverishly over the tiniest details to the point of drawing blood.

SnowBells · 12/07/2016 13:18

And A4Document... the above rule applies to all non-EU citizens living in Britain who have been here less than 10 years. So you can imagine the upset this has caused in people's lives who now face "deportation". This applies to people from everywhere... US and Australia as much as Third World economies.

Al hail our new prime minister!

Alfieisnoisy · 12/07/2016 13:36

I was a Remain voter but I like Theresa May as she seems very moderate in her views. This means she will look at Brexit properly and won't rush into irrational decisions. It will all be debated properly and Brexit will be negotiated in a rational way,

SnowBells · 12/07/2016 13:39

Alfieisnoisy

She's a wolf in sheep's clothing though... www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-conservative-party-leader-shes-no-progressive-conservative-a7109121.html

missmoon · 12/07/2016 17:25

People who go on about European Commissioners being unelected and what a bad thing that is will be very worried when they find out about senior civil servants in government departments.

Not to mention ambassadors, and of course, the royal family...

BertrandRussell · 12/07/2016 17:31

"She seems very moderate in her views."

Really? Is this a different Theresa May?

Alfieisnoisy · 12/07/2016 18:26

I meant more in relation to Brexit than anything else. Quite honestly it was the selection of someone from a choice of anti Christ candidates as far as I am concerned. Can't stand any of them.

Alfieisnoisy · 12/07/2016 18:27

I quite "like" her in relation to Brexit. She will manage it rather than rushing it.

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