Leavers - how do we feel about Theresa May as PM?

[Surferjet]

I'm not sure I trust her.
I know she said 'Brexit means Brexit' but.....

well a generation has already suffered greatly so I am not sure what to say?

One generations chances being affected compared to anothers?

I am hoping once we start to put breaks on the immigration, things will start in a few years to ease up on the poor parts of society.

It's not a 'suck it up' attitude at all. It's us merely pointing out what democracy actually means to people who don't understand it

Apparently it means having an unelected prime minister who thinks we have too many human rights and voted against a national minimum wage.
Yay for British democracy!

I am hoping once we start to put breaks on the immigration, things will start in a few years to ease up on the poor parts of society.

Ah yes, we can expect the Tory government to tackle low pay, poor pensions, zero hours contracts etc. It'll be like austerity never happened.

I'm really positive about Theresa May. I think the contrast between the unity and coming-togetherness of the Tories , and the mess of the PLP will encourage any agitating Tories to hold their tongues a bit more than they usually would.

Apparently, their wasn't much love lost between Theresa May and George Osborne so he may not stay on - although I think he should and should take Foreign Office.

"am hoping once we start to put breaks on the immigration, things will start in a few years to ease up on the poor parts of society."

Can you explain why you hope this?

Five reasons to start with Bertrand.

Democracy - better when we've left the EU. MPs directly elected by us, rather than Commissioners who aren't. All our laws made in the UK.
Trade - better when we can make our own deals around the world, after leaving the EU
Immigration - moving to an Australian-style points system, so we can accept migrants from around the world equally. Again better once we've left the EU.
Escape from the EU's long term plans to become a superstate - better when we've left the EU.
Money - no longer supporting the Eurozone, no more getting back less than we put in, Westminster prioritising where taxpayers money goes instead of Brussels. Trade and stock market could do well once Brexit is achieved, with relevant new relationships around the world.

"I think Theresa May will be quite pliable as to do everything George Osbourne tells her to. "

Err, no. She has run a major department for many years and is older and more experienced than Osborne. Why assume she's his puppet, FFS?

a4, thats all utter nonsense. It's so naive and out of touch with reality that I'm not going to bother explaining it to you. Did you just swallow some UKIP leaflets?

user1467101855 I'm not sure what you have swallowed, but no, I'm a left-wing supporter of Leave. UKIP is of no interest to me. Funny how the remain side keep insisting that UKIP is the only party that a Brexiteer could possibly support when this is far from the case!

Clearly some people can't imagine a good future after leaving the EU, which is a shame as it shows low confidence in our own people and country. I hope they don't make that a self-fulfilling prophecy. There's great scope for innovation, but we need to get on with making it happen. It's shocking to see the correlation between being in the EU and people having more tendency to be spoon-fed orders from on high.

Best of a bad bunch. The other option would be fucking the child free over.

I'm quite concerned for those who say she's unelected. They clearly don't understand basic politics.

Whatevs, A4. You go on feeling positive when all the facts point to it not being so great. All your laws made in the UK, great, the Tories and their "We don't need human rights or EU courts, we can do what we want to people without the pesky EU making us give then maternity pay and shit like that!!"

Get a hold of yourself. GOOD for trade and commerce? With all the financial services that prop up your economy pissing off to Frankfurt and Dublin? With the pound crashing towards parity with the dollar? With no access to the single market?
You haven't a clue. It's pie in the sky magical thinking.

I'm quite concerned for those who say she's unelected. They clearly don't understand basic politics

Clearly you don't, if you don't get the nuance.

Hmm. Some people are such optimists. Brexit won't resolve global warming, world instability, dwindling natural resources, appalling levels of pollution and destruction of natural habitats, gross human overpopulation of the world, an increase in incurable diseases and famines, gross inequalities, and opportunist countries attacking each other when they are down... Still, it's nice to fantasise that our futures are so much more rosy, now, and that we'll start being nice to the weak and vulnerable all of a sudden, now the EU isn't making us look down on and demonise them.

Still, disease, war and famine might resolve over population.

The name's Eeyore, btw.

At least we can vote the Tories out in a few years. I only want accountable politicians that we can oust if they don't follow what the people ask of them. I want us to strive for decent laws in this country, following in the UK's long tradition of the same. We shouldn't keep giving more sovereignty to Brussels because people can't be bothered to improve things here. It shouldn't be necessary to have the EU watching us to ensure we play nicely. It's infantilising.

People who go on about European Commissioners being unelected and what a bad thing that is will be very worried when they find out about senior civil servants in government departments.

we'll start being nice to the weak and vulnerable all of a sudden

There's more chance of real social reform here if people don't keep passing the buck to the EU!

"We shouldn't keep giving more sovereignty to Brussels because people can't be bothered to improve things here"

What do you mean by "sovereignity" and how have we given it away?

People who go on about European Commissioners being unelected and what a bad thing that is will be very worried when they find out about senior civil servants in government departments.

And no one's thought to mention the entirely democratic House of Lords - why could that be I wonder?

We can't actually improve things here without the help and co-operation of the rest of the world - we don't even produce enough food to sustain ourselves, let alone have the natural resources. What is entirely in our national self-interest is not what the rest of the world is willing or even able to give. The rest of the world is in competition with us, even more so now we are pulling out of the EU and thus creating a bigger list of direct competitors as opposed to uneasy collaborators. We are used to more than our fair share, yet still haven't chosen to share that fairly amongst ourselves. That's not because of the EU.

AnnaForbes

the far right will continue to rise across the EU

They aren't though. There has been a stronger Pro-EU mood in Europe in the aftermath of Brexit. Merkel's popularity has surged incredibly. Maybe Britain leaving the EU could actually be best for the EU?

A4Document

Democracy - There are 28 unelected EU Commissioners. There are 800 unelected members of the House of Lords.

Trade - Do you know how long it takes to do trade deals? How long did Canada have to negotiate with the EU? Hint: Much more than two years.

Immigration - So you want all immigrants to earn more than 35k a year? OK. Let's say the fruit pickers and farm help leave. You increase wages, so British citizens actually become interested in those jobs. Cost of producing grocery stock (for example) would rise. Who pays for it in the end? Yes, the consumers... many of whom will be complaining, despite them having 'voted for this'. Let's also fire all the nurses from the EU. See whether that will help the NHS.

Escape from the EU's long term plans to become a superstate - This is sort of laughable, I'm not even going to comment on that. The EU represents a very strong - if also slow and cumbersome - union that would have been mega useful for the time emerging economies begin to rise and overtake us.

Money - Don't people get it? The money that goes to the EU and what we get back does not represent the entire equation. It's not primary school subtraction but non-linear algebra with many different variables.

On top of what the EU 'gave' the UK, there were also grants available for science (that is now already drying up) and research projects funded by the EU that resulted in collaboration across countries. These used to result in innovation that was good for Britain and the companies within it. Sadly, that's now already going away, and we haven't even left the EU yet.

Currently, the UK also hosts the European Medicines Agency (EMA), which approves the drugs that can be sold to the EU. It naturally will have to move when Brexit happens. That's 800 jobs gone, with some people who were experts in their field (but hey, we don't like experts) who will be moved to an EU location. The pharmaceutical industry employs around 200k people in the UK. Guess what will happen further down the line when the EMA moves to its new location?

This is just the tip of the iceberg, but basically... the UK got a lot more out of the EU than the numbers quoted by Farage, BoJo and Gove told you.

Well said SnowBells!

A fair few remainers arguing (again) on here considering it was a thread aimed at leavers?