New Group set up to hold Leave campaigners and their allies to account

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Surely this can only be a good thing for supporters of both 'sides'

I've joined.

A4Document

The BBC's coverage of the EU is more skewed than its coverage of Putin

A4Document - I think you are specifically trying to find places that support your argument. It was well-reported that the BBC (and most UK media) have never shown the EU in a good light for decades!

Well Snowbells at least A4 has produced some evidence to back her claim, where is yours?

Snowbells linked to it, its the thing in the blue writing, from a more credible source too!

It is just beyond me that a section of leavers are more interested in shouting 'Get over it, we won!'

Whereas a section of Remainers are more interested in petitions and sneering at leavers whilst demanding another referendum.

There are elements of both sides who aren't exactly covering themselves in glory imo.

There are elements of both sides who aren't exactly covering themselves in glory imo.

Quite. Remind me again how we're all going to be Pulling Together (direction unspecified) for our glorious future?

SFox

Are you seriously suggesting that Media tenor a multinational company are not biased in favour of the EU?

An example of their complaint:
"On BBC programs Newsnight and the Ten O’Clock News in 2016, up to 45 percent of all reports mentioning the EU in a given month were negative in tone, according to Tenor Media."

So in other words the vast majority of their reports were not negative.
Could not the so called 'negative reporting' be arising because the effects of the EU are , well, 'negative'?
Should it be putting a positive slant on millions of illegal undocumented migrant enterign Europe maybe? Should it be doing an even more thorugh job than it has of covering up sexual attacks on women by asylum seekers in Germany? Seems this is what globalists would like.

Bringing immigration in again Aefren?

Your tenancies are showing.

www.newstatesman.com/broadcast/2013/08/hard-evidence-how-biased-bbc

I live in area that was very heavily pro-Leave and, since the referendum, do you know how many Leavers I have heard complain they were lied to or misled? None, that's right, NONE, not even one! They are all more miffed at the fact that Remain voters are complaining that Leave were misled, too stupid to see through it and find that insulting and patronising.

There was a fact-checker site that was independent, not the BBC one but I can't remember where I found it. They analysed each debate as it happened.
Does the fact that each side thinks the BBC favoured the other mean it actually was impartial? I felt they were pro-Remain myself but did not watch everything

I am unsure about this new group myself. There will be a lot of negotiating going forward so achieving everything that was aimed for may not be realistic anyway. I am also unsure of Chukka's motives in setting this up although I realise that may not be totally relevant

I've said before that I think the BBC was impartial, mainly because lots on the remain side thinks it favoured leave, and those on the leave side thinks it favoured remain.

I live in an area that was heavily remain, but I can certainly report instances of people being told to "go home" have happened here, to friends, and people who are now shocked that the £350 million will not happen etc.

There is a lot of evidence pointing in the same direction as well, it isn't just "made up by the remainers".

Have to say disgusted by Channel 4 which was a permanent advertorial for remain. No pretence at being neutral.
I thought the presenters were actually going to cry or smash something when the result came out.

Well you know, if something is so obviously a stupid move, intelligent people aren't going to advocate it.

Right, in that case the intelligent people of the UK made the right choice. Leave. :)

Sadly they didn't though did they, it was the "protest" vote and those influenced by dishonest electioneering that got you over the line. The more opaque issues were not understood by the majority of the electorate.

S Fox said
"Your tenancies are showing.
www.newstatesman.com/broadcast/2013/08/hard-evidence-how-biased-bbc"

LOL I am not a tenant. However do you really think that the Labour estalishment magazine the NS is going to be happy unless the BBC is 110% pro Bremain? The BBC is SUPPOSED to be unbiased and thus had a duty to appear to give a balanced view of the argument. Bremain bigots (and their unwillingness to accept the referendum result despite having willingly accepted it beforehand is evidence of bigotry), of course whinge and moan if the BC so much as allows Farage a platform, and god forbid there should be a debate where Brexit put a better case and the BBC doesnt say off with their heads!

"Sadly they didn't though did they, it was the "protest" vote and those influenced by dishonest electioneering that got you over the line. The more opaque issues were not understood by the majority of the electorate"
When you lose just tell lies he?

Do you imagine the Bremain vote was made up of people who understood opaque issues? You have to be kidding! Most of the Bremain voters were people who would like to have voted Brexit but were too scared, a

Whining voice: " i just think its probably safer for the economy to vote Bremain..."

And lets not forget the brainwashed under twenty five who've been subjected to EU propaganda since they were nippers: Peppa Pig loves the EU!

I'm with you smallfox. I never wanted to give the conservatives free rein to open up our country to the world and thereby destroy anything other than the most highly skilled jobs. That's what has been done and we all need to hope that we can somehow find a path that doesn't totally destroy the future employment of this country's people apart from the lawyers, accountants and politicians.

I'd have preferred Brexit under a non-Tory government too. But they were the only party offering a referendum on the EU, therefore that's the party we have in charge of Brexit, unless there's an election soon.

I'd have been very pleased if Labour hadn't abandoned its traditional voters and had offered a referendum, but that didn't happen.

People clearly weren't prepared to gamble on waiting for an opportunity to leave the EU under a non-Tory government, which may never have occurred. It's 41 years since the last referendum, and in another 41 years I dread what Project Superstate could have become.

Every leave voter I know was a DM reader.

How many of the 17.5 million people who voted Leave does "every leave voter I know" actually equate to?

Precisely!
And with the DMs circulation less than 1.5 million clearly only a small minority of Brexit voters are DM readers, even if they all voted Brexit, which they didnt. I myself happen to know of at least one who voted Bremain!

Bremainers are just desperate to slur Brexit voters as 'mislead', anything rather than acknowledge that everyone who voted Brexit has powerful reasons for doing so, it was not a decision which after forty years IN people took lightly. The unthinking took the default position of voting Bremain.

The unthinking took the default position of voting Bremain.

It seems you're also keen to 'slur' people Aerfen.

The 'default' was to vote Bremain, and consequently those who gave it little thought chose to 'hold to nurse'. The logic of that is inescapable and not comparable to the widespread 'slurs' that have been cast by the self entitled hardcore Bremainers against Brexit voters:
uneducated, racist, Daily Mail readers (yeh we've had that nonsense on this thread') , misled, brainwashed, 'Little Englanders', scared, angry, 'left behind', xenophobes !!! Even ageism has been brought into it, and anti democratic suggestions that the votes of older people should count for less than the young!

And you accuse ME of being 'keen to slur'.

Your 'logic' is no more than your opinion. 'Hold to nurse' my arse.

'Hold to nurse' my arse.

A well known Belloc reference:

"Always hold to nurse
For fear of finding something worse"

Perfectly encapsulates the attitude of most Bremain voters.
Its a tiny minority actually love the EU, most were simply scared of leaving.

Extremists apart of course!
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I thought you were the one slurring protesters on another thread, or using the term parasite, scrounger and burden about other people on another one.

I don't think a tiny minority preferred staying in the EU and were scared of leaving, the majority of voters know the benefits.

The leave vote however are group who have voted one way for a vast array of different reasons and all have different outcomes in mind.

None of you will get what you want, which in the end is fucking funny.