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Why did your area vote as it did?

74 replies

3amEternal · 04/07/2016 20:31

I voted remain and was quite shocked that my area voted so strongly for leave. Shocked as we border London and jobs are plentiful, house prices are high which has benefitted our high proportion of baby boomers. Trying to understand I think the following factor in: high proportion of older conservative voters (labour has never been 'in'), high proportion of Eastern European young families coupled with overcrowded and poorly funded schools, lack of investment in housing, crumbling infrastructure and poorly kept communal areas (where they have been unable to sell them off they let them go). I cannot think of a single EU funded project in the entire area so I don't think people have seen any 'visible' benefit. This is all the fault of central and local government of course but I bet the Tory MP who has been useless for years and doesn't even live in the area gets voted back in. Just musings really...

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Mirandawest · 05/07/2016 00:35

58% remain here - York.

My MP is very much a leave supporter but that is the outer York constituency whereas York central has a remain MP. I imagine the results for my constituency might be different from the York result.

NicknameUsed · 05/07/2016 07:31

Our local MP was very much a remain, but he was just pissing in the wind.

Peregrina · 05/07/2016 08:16

I'm in Oxfordshire. Most people I talked to were very mindful of the EU collaborations we had in scientific research. The scientific research is concentrated towards the south of the county, so it's interesting that it was the north of the county, around Banbury, which very narrowly voted Leave. The south of the county very much looks towards London. I get the feeling that this is much less so in Banbury.

Peregrina · 05/07/2016 08:29

There, not their, in that last sentence.

Grassgreendashhabi · 05/07/2016 08:39

Leave by 70%

Due to lack of housing, large immigration and lack of work and low services

When you have two doctors surgeries that are struggling to cope and the council open an immigrant only medical clinic in the area but close the only walk in centre people get annoyed.

sashh · 05/07/2016 08:41

75% leave.

Deprived area with some EU immigrants who all seem lovely people, polite, children polite etc.

This is an area that would vote for a monkey with a labour badge, not sure if that is relevant.

mollie123 · 05/07/2016 08:44

Living in the rural shires (middle England if you like) the voting was overwhelmingly for Leave with pockets where remain was the majority.

guess where the remain was in the majority - the Cotswolds (what a surprise, ) Cheltenham (not surprised) Warwick (of course)
says it all for me really.Shock

TempsPerdu · 05/07/2016 08:59

55% Remain here - demographically mixed outer London borough. Lots of Eastern European immigrants who have broadly integrated very well; lots of relatively affluent young professionals and families who have seen the benefits of the EU. Yes, schools are crowded and it can take ages to see your GP, but I think most people recognise that this is down to lack of government investment in infrastructure, and can't just be blamed on immigration.

We're surrounded by a number of leafy, affluent Hertfordshire commuter areas that have been relatively unaffected by immigration. All of them voted to Leave - so this result is far from just a protest vote by the poor and disenfranchised. I suppose these are what you'd call the Daily Mail-reading Shires.

Relatives of mine live in one of the areas of Essex that voted most heavily for Brexit. It's an area where, traditionally, people move from London either for the affordable housing or because 'they don't like the way London is going' - i.e. white flight. Their reasons for voting for Brexit were, essentially, racist - my family members were very candid about this. They want to close the country to all (not just EU) immigrants and prevent any more moving to their area.

BlueHorizonEyes · 06/07/2016 01:02

Cornwall here.

56% leave (including me).

The EU has given us many infrastructure grants but all of that money came from the UK in the first place.

Our fishing fleets have been crucified by the EU. Our farming doesn't qualify for many of the EU grants. Our tourism depends on the rest of the UK but few outside the UK yet hundreds of east Europeans have flooded our hotels, driving down wages.

The EU has screwed Cornwall...

MrsJoeyMaynard · 06/07/2016 01:39

Article from the New York Times about Sunderland voting out linked. Not my area, but there's a similar demographic where I live.

www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/world/europe/european-union-brexit-sunderland-britain-cameron.html?_r=0

Reading that, it looks like a combination of not seeing any personal benefits from being in the EU, feeling like they having nothing to lose from Brexit, partly blaming the EU for the decline in industry and manufacturing (the local economy has not recovered from the decline in industry) and concerns over cheap EU labour undermining local jobs. Plus a feeling that the government doesn't care about our area.

I know a few people who voted out as a protest vote, and I do wonder if the current first past the post system used in general elections contributed to that - my constituency, and many constituencies in my area, are safe seats. I vote in general elections, but it does feel like my vote doesn't matter because my MP will get re-elected by a huge margin however I vote. So I can sort of understand how it's possible that people who're used to feeling their vote has no impact on the results, might wrongly assume that their vote was just as irrelevant when it came to the referendum, and cast a protest vote without thinking it through.

MangoMoon · 06/07/2016 02:30

53.7 Remain

I'm in Call-me-Dave's constituency (west Oxfordshire).
Nice area, doesn't appear to be any pressing problems on the surface.

House prices are Shock to me (especially having moved down from Scotland) - not affordable for ordinary people in low skilled type jobs starting out in life, or with young families.

There appear to be jobs available & although there are EU migrants, they don't seem to be overwhelming in number & appear quite integrated

Nice schools, 1st choice on primary and secondary.

Largest RAF camp in the RAF here though, so thousands of people voting in this area that have background, personal experience, roots & family from a whole heap of different areas, which may have skewed the vote here more toward leave than it perhaps would have been.

AGBforever · 06/07/2016 02:34

My immediate area was probably 95% remain (going by posters/fb/local chat) the next town was about the same to leave...think we definitely have a 'shy tory' effect here. Plus a UKIP MP...

babybythesea · 06/07/2016 23:15

BlueHorizonEyes - I'm also Cornwall. It's late and I'm off to bed but can I point out (because it's something that really gets to me) that EU have not a lot to do with Fisheries, whatever the Tories tell you.

First up, quotes are set by scientists who work out how many fish there are and what can be sustainably caught. If anything, the levels are too high as it is, as they don't allow populations to recover.

How the quotas are allocated then depends on the UK govt. If they choose (and they do) to give a proportionally higher quota to big business rather than small fishermen, that's not the EU's fault.
Overall something like 30% of the UK's fishing quota was allowed to come from EU waters, now that won't happen.

There was an article recently (The Guardian, possibly, I can't be sure, sorry) which highlighted that not only are the fishing quotas likely to not change, but if they do, they are likely to be revised downwards because the fish populations just cannot sustain them. And evidence from around the world suggests that if stocks are allowed to fall below certain levels they take forever to recover (cod stocks off Canada for example have not recovered despite 20 years of a complete fishing ban).

I also disagree with most of the rest of what you say but am too tired to argue it all out now.

BreakingDad77 · 07/07/2016 10:21

Europeans have flooded our hotels, driving down wages

You mean bad employers, who dont give a $%^& about locals surely?

specialsubject · 07/07/2016 10:36

Not London , roughly 60% leave. We have plenty of immigrants in the population , few racist incidents - the locals happily beat each other up.

Why? Guessing farming, EU energy policies causing big problems and job losses, no connection or interest in the financial ' industry' .

And some racists and some only worried about cheap holidays and whether their spoilt gappie will still be able to do its season in magaluf - like everywhere.

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 07/07/2016 10:40

Leave by 70%.

Talking to colleagues who voted leave it's partly because they think the UK will be better off financially without propping up weaker EU countries but a lot talk about how many Eastern European immigrants we have here (town in the UK with the highest number) and what a strain that's put on getting kids into schools, getting GP appointments, stretching the local hospital.

People say if the local services had been invested in to cope with the increase in service users then they wouldn't have such a problem with the amount of immigration but they just see the negative impact it's had on them and are fed up.

PlayingGrownUp · 07/07/2016 10:57

Foyle - 4th highest remain area in the country.

Our city relies on the EU for neither Belfast or London seem prepared to actually invest money. Massive infrastructure investment - roads, bridges - as the public sector is getting centralised the only new jobs are from call centre and factories all of whom get grants for setting up shop in an area of depreciation. Not to mention minimum wages are slightly lower here. I work for £7.40 an hour and that is very good pay. They pay for a lot of the youth and cross- community stuff as well.

The idea of a border going up was also a massive fear as we are right on the border and it would be a disaster.

I think the most irritating thing I've heard since the result came out was hearing about reclaiming control of our country. I would describe myself as being northern Irish before id say British or Irish so the fact that NI voted remain but we have to leave is falling.

ManonLescaut · 07/07/2016 11:08

75% remain. Very wealthy SW London area, educated professionals etc. MP is also remain.

scarlets · 07/07/2016 12:00

Remain won comfortably here. We're in an area of high employment, no pressure on schools, few EU immigrants, young families, so maintaining the status quo was understandable. My small home town is more deprived with a larger retired population and it voted Leave, narrowly.

BlueHorizonEyes · 13/10/2016 01:07

babybythesea

How dare you suggest that my views on fishing are influenced by "...whatever the Tories tell you".

I suspect that you may be "...also Cornwall" but you are obviously not Cornish.

My dad was a trawler owner and skipper. So was my granddad. And my great granddad. My dad was also a lifeboat skipper.

Fishing is in our blood. The EU has, without any doubt, screwed our industry.

Try your arguments in any pub or social club or RNLI base here and see how far your pro EU sentiments get you.

As for being tired about the rest of my post, well how sad for you.

smallfox2002 · 13/10/2016 15:05

"The EU has, without any doubt, screwed our industry."

Coming out of the EU won't improve your industry, there will still be quotas. The government decides who gets your quotas anyway so its not the EU.

Yes the EU fucked Cornwall with all that grant money that the national government certainly wouldn't have put into projects.

smallfox2002 · 13/10/2016 15:14

"Try your arguments in any pub or social club or RNLI base here and see how far your pro EU sentiments get you.

Doesn't mean that that the anti EU ones are right does it though?

Kinda like saying: "Try saying that in a klu klux clan meeting see how far it gets you"

LoisWilkersonsLastNerve · 13/10/2016 15:29

It was 63% Remain in my area. It's very much a mixed bag in terms of demographics with lots of wealthy pockets but some deprived areas. Overcrowding/immigration/xenophobia isn't really an issue with people here, imho. People voted remain probably due to a fear of another recession. I voted Remain.

Mistigri · 13/10/2016 19:26

I'm ex UK now but where I used to live (Tottenham) was 76% remain. No prizes for guessing that I am a Londoner.

Where I work was 54% remain, no doubt due to the Cambridge effect + large local employers with significant export business.

SapphireStrange · 19/10/2016 10:53

Hackney, 78% Remain. It is hugely mixed in terms of wealth, education, ethnic and cultural backgrounds – mixed in every way, basically.

I can only assume it voted so resoundingly to stay because we are all either from elsewhere or have family/friends/colleagues who are; and because we all live among each other and can see how good the mix is for a buoyant local economy and society.