"History will thank us for Brexit"

[Winterbiscuit]

Radical change is never without risk. But I truly believe that history will thank us for Brexit (Telegraph)

"No, my dear Remainer friends, I don’t have buyer’s remorse. I’m grateful to you for asking so nicely. I’m still just as elated and moved, one week on, by the public’s epoch-defining, awe-inspiring decision to defy the establishment, even though the value of my and every other pension pot took a (temporary) tumble before bouncing back. I’m even more excited by the opportunities to reset the UK’s domestic and trade policies, helping to turn us, over time, into Europe’s most competitive economy and putting in place the right institutions to govern globalisation, making it more resilient and sustainable."

"I’m convinced that Leave voters did the right thing, and that we will, in time, be eternally grateful to them for daring to dream."

Just looked up Allister Heath. He was born in France to a part-British family. He moved to the UK to study economics at the London School of Economics, followed by a post-graduate MPhil in economics at Oxford.

it's clear that the doom mongers want to talk us into recession so that they can have the pleasure of saying 'I told you so' recessions don't really work that way. They are not things you can talk yourself into or out of. They are more functions of the political decisions you have taken, and the context you took them in.

I've come up with my own plan.

I'm going to talk myself into becoming a millionaire. If you all think positively for me and pull together behind me I am sure it will work.

Now if you could all just sort out exactly what I should do next, that would be great. I'll be over telling people how easy it is to become a millionaire and how great it is.

No, I don't think history will view brexit positively. I think the UK is imploding. I want to be wrong but I can't see it.

winky. Recessions are almost always man made. One mechanism is that something triggers people to stop spending and collectively demand collapses, layoffs occur, demand falls further and a spiral starts. It's perfectly possible to talk yourself into this state. Recessions are not natural phenomena like the weather.

Okay well lets all try and talk to the institutions and companies that are eyeing up departing from the EU.

Oh and let's try and cheer up the Welsh who have just been assured the UK government will not match the EU funding they'd been receiving.

THAT is the stuff of recessions. Not idle chat.

I mean departing from the UK not the EU.

What tosh.

We could negotiate with significant powers on curbing immigration as with, wait for it, Liechtenstein! A principality with a population of 37,000 and of 62 square miles!

Why indeed haven't the Brexiter's pledged that existing citizens in will be allowed to stay? Because much of the Leave agenda was based on curbing immigration (mostly I would imagine, East European immigration, but if we could add in a few blacks and Asians too, that would be nice.)

I have to agree with some points: Johnson and Gove should have been ready to announce their plans, instead of playing cricket/going into hiding.
Yes, it was the Tory party which voted to Leave in large measure, so they should be the ones to step up. Where are all these Tory businessmen who voted out now? What are their plans for getting the country back on its feet?

But you will be OK chum, because you are wealthy.

Eventually a new order will be established, but we don't, for example, credit Neville Chamberlain with the post war stability, do we?

I hate to break this to him, but the EU have already made it very clear that they will not agree to this.
Depends who you've listened to, the EU aren't speaking with one voice on this. People are voicing their personal opinions, and we can chose to believe those we most agree with.
OK to speculate but there'll be posturing and brinkmanship on both sides. We won't know anything definite until the negotiations are over.

The thing is why would the EU agree to this? It would be detrimental to them to give us a better deal than Norway et al.

Other countries would leave, Norway would insist on renegotiating their terms and the EU would be fucked.

They're not going to let this happen and before anyone tells me "but they need our exports" we need to trade with them just as much as they need us and they know it. They have a lot more to lose giving us what we want than we do by not accepting free movement.

Yeah, ok.
If anything actually happens, that is.

You're right Mother I think 44% of our exports go to the EU.

Winky, you would be wrong in your belief that every one wants what is the best for britain. That would be absolutely my belief too. However, there are alot of people on this website who gleefully state that they wouldnt even buy british goods now,out of principle.
I think they are a out as pathetic and childish as it gets. I hope they are going to quit their chelsea tractors, strawberries and stilton just for starters,out of principle that is.

"The Eu aren't speaking with one voice on this".

Don't they all have to agree to any new terms? Doesn't it have to be unanimous? If so, then what the French say is irrelevant if they can't get the others to agree, and that's looking pretty impossible. So yes: history will view us as foolhardy and foolish...