EU funding for housing associations.

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www.buildingconstructiondesign.co.uk/news/housing-associations-receive-eu-funding-to-deliver-net-zero-homes/

So what happens in situations like this now. Anyone here work for an HA who would know? Obviously i know the funding wont continue but what many tenants will want to know about is the effect elsewhere. Im suspecting it will also affect the repairs budget and tenants already have to fight to get repairs done.

The lists were so long for remaining in the EU that people did not both to read them.

There was really one thing on the leave list and that was immigration - and now that seems to be unravelling

Amarok no offence taken. i tried to tell people around here but they didnt want to listen.

It is interesting that the information about HAs could have been used by both sides: Oooh, we'll lose funding : actually we'll lose some for some very specific projects

What part of that are 'normal people' too stupid to think about? I am not so sure that there are many Leavers regretting their decision. I can see that there are many reading all of this, and similar, and still thinking that both sides were way out of touch with the electorate... and would not change their vote, because their reasons still stand.

I made lots of people aware- I deliberated over it for hours and hours- I was passionately active- was not the LACK of information- was the lack of diligence. People could not be arsed reading documents- only headlines. I am disgusted.

evalun sadly your efforts were not mirrored by any of those we elected to represent us, on either side of the debate. Nobody would expect you to educate a nation. That was someone elses job and both sides failed to connect with a large % of the electorate, for many years.

What matters now is not recriminations but those same elected representatives getting back up and doing their jobs. That would include stopping all the finger pointing and what ifs and working hard to make the most of all opportunties and ameliorating as many threats as possible.

Communicating with the entire electorate would be a good start. Remembering that the UK is not England and that England is not London would be a good start.

Yes people only wanted to read headlines, but I also think the media has a part to play here too; especially the BBC.

Far too many times they reported a headline of "Leave campaign says 350m a week will be spent on X" (be that NHS, housing for "British people", science and research, farmers, whatever) and then the BBC only qualified that by saying "The Remain campaign says they do not recognise the numbers" or "The Remain campaign say they do not accept this".

What they should have done is make it very clear in the article or another headline saying "350m per week is NOT the amount of money we lose each week to the EU, this is a lie". Something stronger. Rather than the lie being allowed to stand as being merely a difference of opinion between the two campaigns.

They're desperation to be 'impartial' gave credence to statements that were wholly untrue.

Because many of the voters either aren't able to, or don't have the inclination to go and research things for themselves (and really, proper research, as in critically reviewing literature is a university-level skill, especially economics, and economics is a pretty tough discipline in itself), they need the media to report it for them in a way people can understand.

Does this contradict what OP said?

I heard lots on BBC about the £350mln being an inaccurate figure. It was challenged constantly ime. Seems to me like this Guardian story covered OP's angle, too.

I reckon it was a complicated decision & there was no way to give all information.

ps: bottom line, Out Voters weren't likely to listen to BBC or read the Grauniad.

Absolutely right Amarok.

Unfortunately lljkk there will likely be the odd HA who uses it as an excuse when it comes to repairs.

Hate to say i told you so but...........

from a thread on the EU Referendum board.

throwingpebbles Tue 28-Jun-16 08:14:06
It was turkeys voting for Christmas sadly, even if you don't want to see it yet.

A friend just told me of two wonderful, pioneering projects she has been working on to build much needed new social housing plus affordable housing. They were through the plannjng stage and gearing up to build. Post Brexit the plug has been pulled

Yep, sadly Brexit is already causing problems for social housing projects.

As others upthread explained, it's not just direct EU grants etc but the ability to create a viable finance package to get the housing built.

www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2016/jun/24/housing-needs-will-be-pushed-to-one-side-in-the-confusion-over-brexit?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

They lied through their teeth. Sign this please

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/119416

Hang on its business as usual until we activate article 50, out currently running EU funded projects continue, that funding is agreed and in place.

If your friends project was through planning and ready to build that means they must have jumped through the myriad of EU funding applications and had approval already. It can't have been pulled since last Thursday

*our not out

Honeslty - trying to link this to Brexit is plain silly.

Let me give you a simple explanation of this wonderful 'EU funding'.

The only funding the EU has is the money that its member countries give to it. The £millions every week. That is your money that your UK Government took off you in taxes and then handed it to the EU.

The EU then takes its cut of that money to squander on shiny new offices, EU propaganda, other vanity projects and, as we are a net contributor, some is handed out to other countries.

What is left is then re-badged as 'EU funds" and handed back to the UK.

When you next have a household bill for, say £200 of electricty I suggest you hand £300 to your boss and ask him to pay your bill for you and ask him to keep a bit himself and to give the rest to your next door neighbour.

That's the the EU way.

Alternatively, you could pay the £200 directly to the electricity company yourself.

That's the sensible way.

We in the UK could easily pay housing associations ourself using our tax payers money that we no longer have to send to the EU.

P.S. We even have more money available for the UK as we are not funded the profligate EU and its wasteful projects

www.tpas.org.uk/tpas-news/early-thoughts-from-tpas-on-brexit-and-social-housing

From the link.

Impact on social landlords

The short term impacts will probably be largely financial. Uncertainty about the future terms of trade will make financial bodies and other businesses cautious, so it may be more expensive or harder to borrow money to invest in homes or regeneration, and the offer or agreement of contracts for services may be put on hold. If uncertainty lasts for a while then house prices may fall, which will make it harder for landlords to build new homes and generate surpluses from sales activities. It is more than a little ironic that this could be a problem for landlords whose core mission is to provide homes that people can afford, but there we are.

The longer term impacts depend very much on what terms are negotiated for post-EU trading. There may be effects on the costs of materials to build and improve homes, the ability to get workers for big development and investment projects, and the regulations applied to companies providing goods and services. Much of the immediate post-referendum commentary assumes regulations will be similar, costs will go up and availability of skilled labour will go down. The housing sector has made good use of EU grants that support work on regeneration, social inclusion and energy efficiency - access to these will certainly be lost.

www.altairltd.co.uk/2016/06/brexit-financial-implications/

Financial implications for social housing landlords.

Including the care and support sector.

"Care and support providers will need to consider the potential reduction in the availability of EU care and support workers and the impact that this may have on wage costs. This is an area where services have been subject to severe downward pressure in terms of revenue funding and increased running costs will be likely to see further services closing and further withdrawal from the care and support sector."

Springing technically true BUT if we want to negotiate to trade with the EU (which we need to) part of that negotiation will be paying a fee, accepting their red tape, accepting freedom of labour movement.

The fee is likely to be the same as it is now, if not more as Junker wanker is saying. This is true of Norway et al.

So we get to spend the same money, deal with the same shitty red tape, accept the same amount of border crossing. Yet have absolutely no say in setting the future direction of the EU not do we get cash back anymore I don't think.

I'm more of a leave than a remain, but if the above does indeed happen that's going to be pretty shit.

Wait a minute... Norway spends all that money to have access to single market.

How much money does EU invest back in Norway?

officiallyunofficial it's the anticipated financial downturn and uncertainty associated with Brexit that have made the project unviable, not EU grant funding.!

Yep lljkk all in NONE out, they get nothing back from the EU. The bottom article lays the Norway option out fairly clearly.

www.eu-norway.org/eeafinancial/#.V3OMWvR4WnM

www.cbi.org.uk/global-future/case_study06_norway.html