to think the ageism because the old voted for Brexit is disgusting.

[mamamea]

It is 2016, the over 60's voted resoundingly in Brexit.

The young voted for Bremain.

However.... in 1975 today's over 60s were young people, and they voted heavily for Bremain, to stay within the Common Market. Those youthful Bremain voters have had the benefit of 40+ years of experience and have therefore changed their minds. Same people, different opinion.

AIBU to think it that the criticisms of the old for voting for Brexit are ageist nonsense (e.g., I have seen things such as saying that the young have longer to live, so their opinion counts more than some old people whom we will shortly have to bury anyway), and that elderly votes are every bit as valid as young ones.

Oh, and I'm not saying everyone who voted leave did so because they want our country separate from the rest of the world, I just happen to know that he does.

If people are annoyed with a group, it's not because of their age per se, it's because of what they have done to the generation which will have to live with their decision. Many of them were the luckiest generation in history.

So no, I don't find the ageism disgusting.

Having said that, my DM, my PILs, my uncles and aunts and DH's uncles and aunts, all in their 60s and 70s voted to remain. They knew that it was their children and grandchildren who would have to live with their decision.

It's just another example of baby boomers doing things to millenials that mean that the younger generation will never have it as good as their grandparents

Well, unless all your older relations are about ready to breath their last and they are not going to be using the NHS or needing care any time soon or even paying higher prices for their goods and services Sukey they're also going to have to live with the consequences of this vote.

I'm a few years off my 70th birthday, and I find the whole situation very worrying not just for my DCs and DGC but also for me.

I don't want to live in a country made miserable by inflation and high prices.

How can people be so sure that the long term outcome of Leaving will be bad? It could end up as a self-fulfilling prophesy if people carry on with all the pessimism and doom mongering.
It's like the campaign propaganda (on both sides) with lots of opinions presented as facts.

Oh fuck off with the 'baby boomers' rant. Do your children have to use an outside toilet? Have to light a fire in the morning to get warm? Live in an area of bomb-damaged houses? Live in a world where most families are mourning the loss of a husband, brother or son? Your children are the luckiest generation to be born. Stop being bitter

They will be remembered as the most selfish generation in history.

If the shoe fit etc.

They will be remembered as the most selfish generation in history

But only by less than half the population

Ah that's it I'm out can't cope with any more hysterics or teeth gnashing. Enjoying your evening folks!

My Dad (76 years old and Remain voter) told me today anyone over 70 should not be allowed the vote as they will be 'buried soon so it's nothing to do with them'

Who's ranting about baby boomers?

Totally mumamea, and glad you posted.

Listened to Radio 4 today (mistake). Some Labour politican was screaming the young voted for Remain. Very desperate, and cynical, I would say.

I am a middle-aged person (shoot me!) I voted Leave (shoot me!) My mother voted Remain (shoot her!). I respect her views. Regardless, teh fact is the old sometimes want to "caretake", have the benefit of experience and are deeply concerned with the next generation - I know I am and I've a LEAVE voter. My mum's a bit of a selfish cow and she voted Remain. I rest my case.

Old people often worry about future generations, ackshually. They have the benefit of experience. For Remain to "diss" OAP "Leave" voters as selfish scum just shows how low they are prepared to go. Disgusting.

No one here is ranting particularly. No one has called them selfish scum. Happy to be corrected if I have missed that particular phrase.

As for my children being the luckiest generation in history, I don't have children. But I have nephews and nieces and I feel desperately sorry for them.

An Indian proverb:
"We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children"

Well, Sukey, the "old" have been called selfish and inconsiderate, maybe not scum (but not spllitting hairs as the accuasation is pretty nasty - that only the young are correct and the old are dying shitheads who probably shouldn't have had a vote in the first place). Sorry, but to suggest that people have made a vote against future generations is a pretty scum accusation. I would never make that against my political opponents, even if I thought they had made the wrong decision. Its just shows IMO how proud and nasty they became at the end.

I meant to say I would never had made that accusation against my political oponents. just too scummy and low for words. How dare you.

I agree the younger age bracket turnout was awful, and the Remain camp should have foreseen this and really stepped up their game to engage with them. However I can understand some of the anger with how the older age bracket voted (I'm a millennial so aware this may sway my judgement!).

I don't agree they have more experience. They have had 40 years of reaping the benefits of being in the EU. The vast majority of them would be too young to truly remember what life was like before the EU.

A massive majority of the over 40s voted new labour in with landslides in the 1990s when they were ramming open door immigration and multiculturalism policies down our throats, and now they've decided they don't like that world, and we have to be the guinea pigs who live with their decision. We had just started to pick up the pieces of the mess that their Labour voted in, and now we have been screwed again. They live with gold plated and protected pensions (which we have paid massively for) and ridiculous house equity (again, which we have paid for), the likes of which we could never dream of, especially now with the fears over the housing market and the worry for our pensions.

And for those saying that generations aren't the luckiest in history because of toilets in the dark and post war bombed buildings - the way they lived like that compared with the way they lived the good life is a tiny fraction of their life. We have to face these consequences and carry on struggling for many, many more years.

Tbh you've had it easy comparatively and now you've severely restricted the options of younger people.

I'm "elderly, " 70+ - voted remain and have never voted Conservative ever.

Ha ha ha

They will be remembered as the most selfish generation in history.

Grow up.

Coming back to howabout's post of
18-24 year olds were 75% remain I believe

Yougov puts the turn out of the 16 - 24 year olds at 25% of the total eligible vote, so 75% didn't vote and roughly 18% (just over) of whats left wanted to remain.

I don't live in England so excuse my ignorance, but seeing as how London voted overwhelmingly for Remain and the North of England for Leave, does that mean that nearly everyone in London is young and nearly everyone in the North is old?

My 70 something mum and her friend were crying over coffee and cake yesterday if that makes anyone feel better towards the older generation.