to think the ageism because the old voted for Brexit is disgusting.

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It is 2016, the over 60's voted resoundingly in Brexit.

The young voted for Bremain.

However.... in 1975 today's over 60s were young people, and they voted heavily for Bremain, to stay within the Common Market. Those youthful Bremain voters have had the benefit of 40+ years of experience and have therefore changed their minds. Same people, different opinion.

AIBU to think it that the criticisms of the old for voting for Brexit are ageist nonsense (e.g., I have seen things such as saying that the young have longer to live, so their opinion counts more than some old people whom we will shortly have to bury anyway), and that elderly votes are every bit as valid as young ones.

18-24 year old were overwhelmingly in favour of Remain. However, less than a third of them actually voted. If they feel they've been screwed over, they are partly to blame.
Also the Remain campaign really didn't do a great job of engaging with younger voters (not that it did a stellar job of engaging anyone else!).

It's horrible. All these people who paint themselves as such supporters of inclusion and diversity, yet they think older people shouldn't be allowed to have a vote, 'stupid' people shouldn't be allowed to have a vote... What next? People with a life limiting illness? The working class?

One of the positives from this saga is that younger people might just get out and vote in future. The turn out was 70% or thereabouts. I've seen figures quoted of around 40% for the under 25's, maybe if they had voted in the same numbers as us old guts they may have got the result they wanted. If you don't vote you can't moan about the outcome.

guts, meant gits, although my guts are old!

With age comes wisdom

You've clearly never met my grandfather and most of my dad's side of the family. All of them very openly voted Leave for racist reasons.

This unwillingness to believe that anyone under the age of 25 had just as valid reasons for voting remain as Leave voters did for voting Leave is ageist too. Although yet again, it's only ageism when old people are the victims, right?

I live in an area that had a large leave majority. I have a lot of "older" friends. To be fair to them they all voted based on what they thought was best for their kids and grandkids. You may not agree with their reasoning or decision but to say they were being selfish is unfair. They genuinely felt they were making the best decision for future generations.

It is 2016, the over 60's voted resoundingly in Brexit.
As we have a secret ballot, I wonder upon what evidence this statement is based .
As a voter who voted on whether or not to join the Common Market in 1975,( therefore old), I know that the majority of my friends and acquaintances of a similar age said they were supporting Remain. The result appears to be a great surprise to everyone, therefore I wonder just how accurate the above statement is.

The working class are not empirical they don't work in evidence based bubbles. They also are not driven by money.

"As we have a secret ballot, I wonder upon what evidence this statement is based . "

There have been literally dozens of opinion polls showing the divide (young - for Remain, old - for Exit). The chances of this being wrong is basically zero.

"As a voter who voted on whether or not to join the Common Market in 1975,( therefore old),"

I think you are mistaken as to what you voted for.

We joined in 1973. The 1975 vote was a Remain/Leave vote. There was never a Join vote.

I think the young are going to have to learn that they need to turn out and vote if they want to influence what happens in a democracy. It really isn't that hard a concept to grasp and personally I'm pretty disappointed that so few bothered to do so.

Goblin good point. The over 60s I know who voted remain are the type to say no thanks to an exit poll and do it totally secretly. All the Leave voters I know in that age group were shouting it from the rooftops. So the polls could be skewed by the louder voices more willing to stop and broadcast their vote.

Agree 100% barabarian. Not bothering to vote and then whining because Leave pissed on your chips is an exercise in futility.

". So the polls could be skewed by the louder voices more willing to stop and broadcast their vote."

Except that the most accurate polls were those conducted online, where 'shyness' isn't really an issue. The phone polls, otoh, were wrong.

It would seem that only 25% of 28-25 year olds voted.

If you don't actually vote then then you shouldn't complain about the result that is decided.

I know some old people who voted remain and some young people who voted leave. I'm only blaming the people who voted leave.

The ageism and classism on social media is disgusting.
In general I think older people make wiser decisions than those aged under 25 so maybe a Brexit will work out in in the end.
My parents voted exit because they worry what the country will be like when my kids are adults and the population is 80 million +.
I voted remain because I'm more worried about the immediate. My parents don't have these worries.

I don't believe polls - exit or otherwise. Votes are secret. I have always taken great delight in saying the opposite to how I voted in an exit poll. I tell every party canvasser that I will vote for them in all elections. My vote is my vote and it is my secret, even my husband does not know how I vote.

I was only 17 in 1975 so didn't get a vote. It would have been IN though. I'm 58 now and voted Remain. My teenage DC voted Remain and they only know one person between them who voted out.
In 1975 it was a different world though. WWII was nearer then than 1975 is to 2016. The EEC was a small trading club though my idealist self at that age dreamt of world peace. The EU is not what it was nor what any of us foresaw it would become.
The campaign was different. There were newspapers and TV. That's it.
There was not the avalanche of social media. I think people made their own minds up and were less influenced by uninformed hype.

There is much I dislike about the EU but my Remain vote was made because I thought it was in the best interests of the younger generation. I am glad I am not ashamed of the way I voted.
It's not new on MN to be the target of such vitriol and prejudice because of my age (and DH is 65 so even worse). It's sad.

I m 60 I voted remain. I'm insulted by this ageism., entitlement, blaming etc

I've spent my life fighting for justice I've marched, protested camped out at greenham common, signed petitions, knocked on doors, educated myself worked hard all my life. Saved hard to get what I have.
Stop whining and chucking your dummy out the pram and looking for people to blame.
Get out and fight for a better life

Hear hear Nell. I'm 60 and a remainer. Why the hell would I vote for ££££ to be knocked off my pension fund and watch the value of my house slide? For us old, senile members of the population that will be our only means of financing our old age.

So, if I tell you that I'm 62 you'll assume I voted leave will you? You'd be wrong. I'm sick of the ageism on MN.

My 75 year old mil voted remain.

My parents and DH's parents voted leave. They are retired, they don't have mortgages and their vote was mostly based on thinking there are too many foreigners about when they do their weekly shop in tescos, they rarely travel further than that.
They can obviously vote how they like but they did so with little regard to what it will mean for their children and grandchildren who may want to sell their house or get a mortgage or work and study in an EU country for example. Their vote is unlikely to achieve what they want and they have fucked the rest of us over in many ways.
Obviously many leave voters have better than reasons than them but many don't.