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Referendum TV debate

80 replies

WalrusGumboot · 21/06/2016 21:01

Is anyone else watching? I just switched it on.

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Turbinaria · 21/06/2016 21:47

Boris must have honed his inner Churchill in his final speech he should have had Jerusalem playing in the background Grin

fryingtoday · 21/06/2016 21:48

Just learnt my five year old has already cast her vote at school!! Noise of debate woke her up ...,,

petitpois55 · 21/06/2016 21:48

Poor Boris. He's the remain campaigns greatest asset.

ipsogenix · 21/06/2016 21:51

Argh! Michael Gove!

ipsogenix · 21/06/2016 21:52

He says we should take back control. Quelle surprise.

petitpois55 · 21/06/2016 21:53

I liked Ruth, even though i would never vote Tory. Did anyone count the number of times the leave side said we need to take back control. That's a new one on me. I've never heard them mention it beforeWink

ElleBellyBeeblebrox · 21/06/2016 21:53

Oh fuck off Gove.

ipsogenix · 21/06/2016 21:54

Yay! Chuka Umunna!

winewolfhowls · 21/06/2016 21:55

Gove is a Dick

A sweaty smeggy Dick

GingerCuddleMonsterThe2nd · 21/06/2016 21:55

My instant replies to people being rude to me is obviously the only reason I can't go in to politics walrus Grin

ipsogenix · 21/06/2016 21:55

I've never heard any mention of taking back control either. What a novel thought. It's a wonder they didn't bring that in before.

ipsogenix · 21/06/2016 21:56

Chuka Ummuna has a little metal "IN" lapel badge. I want one too.

ElleBellyBeeblebrox · 21/06/2016 21:58

He was a very lovely gentleman Wink

winewolfhowls · 21/06/2016 21:58

I disagree with lady from the mail. It was right to keep leaders out of it and at least try to focus on issues rather than personalities. Although Boris is a pretty stoking character!

ipsogenix · 21/06/2016 22:01

Yes he was lovely wasn't he. I agree Wine, I wouldn't have learned anything from seeing them shout at David Cameron.

ipsogenix · 21/06/2016 22:01

All done now. N'night.

Titsywoo · 21/06/2016 22:06

Gosh, it's done. I didn't learn anything. What a splendid use of time and money that was. I so wish that we could just hear a quiet, truthful discussion. I so so with we could hear more from Jeremy Corbyn, who seems to actually have a brain

If you say so. All I can gather from listening to Jeremy Corbyn on the EU debate is that he has no passion about what he is speaking about. Today he was saying that he dislikes the EU but thinks we would be better in so we could fight it from the inside. I wouldn't be surprised if he ticks leave in the privacy of his voting booth on Thursday.

IamSlavetotheEU · 21/06/2016 22:08

I can barely hear JC when he speaks. Like Big Bossy Sister analogy - Ruth Grin

OrangesandLemonsNow · 21/06/2016 22:09

I wouldn't be surprised if he ticks leave in the privacy of his voting booth on Thursday.

There are a fair number of people think the same.

Maybe others too.

At the end of the day no one knows but you and the box.

WalrusGumboot · 21/06/2016 22:11

Thanks for your company ladies Smile

As predicted, it didn't change my mind!

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Lottielo · 21/06/2016 22:16

I found Sadiq Khan very aggressive and was very annoyed by all the finger pointing. He seems rather insecure to me. I didn't like that bloody awful Frances O'Grady either. Very sarcastic.

I don't think the leave panel made a particularly good case and could have argued better.

Strange that nobody challenged the remain camp's assertion that migrants won't be able to get full benefits for four years under the new deal. That deal would have to be voted in by the other member states if needed, it's an emergency brake, not a change to the benefits system.

Lottielo · 21/06/2016 22:18

It got very boring hearing 'take back control, vote leave' and 'as a mum'...yawn yawn.

Winterbiscuit · 21/06/2016 23:10

Strange that nobody challenged the remain camp's assertion that migrants won't be able to get full benefits for four years under the new deal.

I don't like Cameron's 4 year thing at all. It really isn't the way to solve the crisis. If you invite someone to join you, you don't then condemn them and their family to poverty! How can Cameron think that's a kind solution?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 21/06/2016 23:19

Corbyn was on Sky last night questioned by an audience of under 35's. He came across as very considered, informed and pragmatic.

At the end of the day it is the British right who tear themselves apart over europe. The referendum is a mess of their making.

bkgirl · 22/06/2016 00:52

TUC's Frances O'Grady forgot to mention....
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.

Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.

Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant,
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.

British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.

Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.

Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200. M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.

Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.

Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.

Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.

Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.

Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.

Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company.

Candy with EU backing.

ICI integration into Hollands AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs

Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.

JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.

UK airports are owned by a Spanish company. Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.

Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.

The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations.

Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.

Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the

The Mini cars that Cameron are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK.

The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.