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Please help me understand - what exactly WILL happen if we leave the EU?

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DorynownotFloundering · 07/06/2016 09:02

Because quite frankly I can't see how all these wonderful ideas Brexit have could be implemented if the govt are not in agreement & no one from the Leave side is in any position of power?

Genuine question.

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Chalalala · 10/06/2016 12:50

It's not up to him, obviously. But I guess it gives an indication of the German position on the question? I'm very surprised by this, as I would have assumed EU leaders would jump on the EEA option as the least-damaging solution to the EU.

This is mostly bad news for the Remain side, I think. Leave have already said they didn't want to be in the Single Market. It's the pro-EU MPs who were hoping to steer Britain towards the Single Market after Brexit.

Bolograph · 10/06/2016 13:36

This is mostly bad news for the Remain side, I think.

Compilation video of the competence and general political ability of the Remain camp:

MrsBlackthorn · 10/06/2016 13:46

It will be posturing, but I'm inclined to take him at his word. They won't want to give in and say we can have it all ways, as it will encourage other counties to follow our lead.

Ambroxide · 10/06/2016 14:23

Why is the EEA ok for other countries but not for Britain?

I'm guessing they want to send a really clear message to any countries who are watching that you can't leave and still enjoy the economic benefits. You can see why, really.

Bolograph · 10/06/2016 14:33

It will be posturing, but I'm inclined to take him at his word

I'm sure that after VAG has laid off a large number of staff, they'll all be keen to vote to continue to engage in a trade war which benefits no-one other than Eurocrats.

Winterbiscuit · 10/06/2016 14:47
  1. Boris Johnson as Prime Minister? Possibly, but at least the PM is normally voted in by the public as an MP, in their constituency. The EU's Five Presidents seem far more remote. And general elections every few years tend to keep governments on their toes here.
  2. Scotland leaving the United Kingdom in order to remain in the EU?
Probably not. Scotland voted to remain in the UK and nationalist support there is now falling.
  1. A three-year recession in the UK.
Or not. And in any case, three years is a short time compared to permanently being in the EU, bound in to all its problems, financial and otherwise. The EU is based on a 1950s ideal which hasn't worked and is unreformable.
  1. Uncontained delight for Donald Trump, Rupert Murdoch, Kim Jong-un, ISIS, the Taliban, and all other enemies of democracy.
President Juncker is an enemy of democracy. The EU is best for the elite, the distant, the unelected Commission, and large corporations who can afford to lobby continually in their own interests. The EU has its own agenda already set, regardless of what the people ask of them. It spends vast sums on promoting its agenda How much does the EU spend on promoting itself? and the "political priorities of the union". In a democracy it should be ordinary people who tell the EU what they'd like done, not the other way round, and they should be accountable to us.
  1. A huge setback for the West as whole, and for its slow progress towards peace and stability since 1945.
What wars would the UK have supposedly been involved in since 1945? I don't agree that the EU is "stable" and there's certainly unrest forming. It can also be argued that NATO has kept the peace rather than the EU.
  1. A collapse in the pound: which will mean no more European holidays for most British people, and high inflation at home.
The economy here may well be much better in the medium to long term. Many of us can't afford continental holidays anyway. Certainly the EU is failing and its economy isn't going to do us any favours.
  1. All those retired British people in Spain being sent home (or being forced home by the weak pound and lack of access to healthcare), where they will be a drain on the UK health care system instead of the Spanish one.
Retired British people who have paid their taxes are not a "drain on the UK health care system".
  1. London's Polish builders all going to Germany (see point 6), and leaving us to contend with British builders.
There are plenty of excellent British builders, who deserve to be properly paid.
  1. No change in net immigration figures: since, in order to gain access to the EU single market, neighbouring nations also have to accept free movement of labour. There's no chance of the UK being granted an exception.
It depends on the quality of the negotiations after Brexit. The EU wants to sell to us as least as much as we want to sell to them. As other countries follow our lead in leaving the EU, they'll be keen to trade with us also. And we'll be free to negotiate our own trade deals around the world. 10. The final collapse of British farming, as EU subsidies are withdrawn, and promises to replace them from Westminster are not honoured. I don't see how it would be in any government's interest to make it harder to produce British-grown food? And the collapse of the EU's control of our fishing waters would be great to see.
Chalalala · 10/06/2016 14:47

I'm guessing they want to send a really clear message to any countries who are watching

the EEA is already a crap deal, so it's slightly worrying that the German government appears to think of it as too good for Brexit Britain...

doraexploradora · 10/06/2016 15:18

i am an eu immigrant in the uk. my husband works in the city.

In case of a brexit we will not carry out planned building works and our house will devaluate.

Also my husband's branch of business will shut down in the uk. There will likely be better professional opportunities in Frankfurt or Paris so we will move back to EU as we think the uk economy and more will suffer too much. EU might possibly gain from a brexit as at least we can improve integration with people who believe in the project. Also, big companies will want hq inside EU to gain access to the free market so those too will move to the mainland.

Wouldn't want to be a uk citizen and see my fellow countrymen ruin my own country.

ps: will there be a wall of some sort being built between Ireland and NI? Genuine question.

Bolograph · 10/06/2016 15:41

will there be a wall of some sort being built between Ireland and NI? Genuine question.

Ireland is not in Schengen precisely because of the UK/Ireland CTA.

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