EU just voted to start an EU wide tax system

[BritBrit]

On Wednesday night the EU voted for an EU tax system with all EU citizens to be given EU taxpayer identification numbers. Clearly the EU want to setup EU wide taxes & for them to control national taxes

What are your thoughts on this?

www.conservativewoman.co.uk/fox-on-friday-the-eu-makes-a-stealthy-move-towards-common-european-taxation/

they would never have realised otherwise.

Yes ... I pay tax in two EU countries and claim a tax credit in my country of residence, based on double taxation agreements. I do my best to declare everything correctly but it would be an awful lot easier with a single tax ID that would, potentially, allow this information to be communicated automatically between different states' tax authorities. And quite aside from the benefits to individuals, there seem to be some obvious advantages in terms of limiting cross-border tax evasion.

Some interesting tactics at play on this thread from certain posters. I was just having a late night browse but felt compelled to put my two pennorth in, and point out that it's pretty obvious some posters are acting in a professional capacity in this debate (and similar threads).

The tax codes may 'make sense' when you look for reason in it, but where does it genuinely make sense for 60 million UK citizens to have a unique 'identifier' number? There are cheaper and less complicated ways to to manage the tax affairs of the relatively small number of EU peeps that work trans-europa. And further, since when was it of the business of the EU whether citizens are paying the correct tax/insurance etc in their own countries. It isn't, and to think this is okay is nuts, or calculated.

Hopefully if it goes ahead we will all get a card with our comrade number instead of having to go and get it stamped our arms.

"where does it genuinely make sense for 60 million UK citizens to have a unique 'identifier' number?"

We already have. I'm sure you know that.

relatively small number of EU peeps that work trans-europa

I suppose it depends if you think 19 million is a small number or not.

And that number doesn't include people who live in their home state but have cross border investments.

The advantages are both for individuals - one in 30 Brits live or work elsewhere in Europe, greater numbers still have some tax relationship in another state through, for example, owning a property in France - and for businesses. If you want to sell things to someone in another member state you need to register, separately, with that tax system, and then try to reconcile it from the UK. Having a single reference number, which is what this proposal is, makes the admin process simpler and reduces the potential for fraud.

It's simply cutting red tape - something Brexiteers seem obsessed by, until Europe actually does this, when they decide it's a portent of ambitions to found a superstate or something.

The tax codes may 'make sense' when you look for reason in it, but

Well... yes, it does.

Looking for (and finding) rational explanations instead of simply assuming yet another conspiracy - the horror!

it's pretty obvious some posters are acting in a professional capacity in this debate (and similar threads).

WTF are you on about? Are you seriously suggesting that those of us who support Remaining in the EU are secret agents of the campaign posing as real live mumsnetters?

This is the internet. Anyone could be anyone. For all we know I'm Jean-Paul Juncker.

So let's play the ball, not the player.

Some interesting tactics at play on this thread from certain posters. I was just having a late night browse but felt compelled to put my two pennorth in, and point out that it's pretty obvious some posters are acting in a professional capacity in this debate (and similar threads).

I would certainly agree that some posts on this thread are clearly more informed and intelligent than the scaremongering conspiracy theories from some posters, but I don't think you need to be a professional to know the difference between fact and wild conjecture.

No! i'm Jean-Paul Juncker!

Just like on other brexit threads, some people will have much greater technical knowledge of the subject matter due to professional or personal experience.

That said, there is definitely at least one regular poster on here who I am almost certain is being paid for posting.

^Hopefully if it goes ahead we will all get a card with our comrade number instead of having to go and get it stamped our arms.

What, like we get with National Insurance numbers? < dies of horror>

Chalalala how come you know everything about everything with regards to the EU and what they do want, don't want, will do and won't do?

How much time do you spend researching? Or is it linked to your job? Or what?!

Whisky, the problem is that there's absolutely nothing I can say to convince you that I am who I say I am. So, is it even worth trying? And does it matter anyway, shouldn't the arguments stand on their own, no matter who makes them?

That being said, the answer to your question is that your premise is flawed, I don't actually know that much about the EU. There are posters out there with much better technical knowledge than I do about legislaton, trade, etc, including on the Brexit side. But I'm a researcher by trade, I know how to use google, and I've been here a long time and remember what other, better-informed posters have said.

Yes, Chalala, god forbid you might have properly informed yourself ahead of a vote of critical national importance. How very dare you.

Well, no I don't have to be convinced, I was just intrigued!

I don't know anyone in real life who knows as much as you do. That as soon as some one says "X is going to happen" someone comes along to say "no, X isn't and actually it's Y and here is why..." kind of thing.

I am still on the fence although recently been think Remain but it's still the head/heart thing going on.

I haven't looked much into this one ID tax number thing and when I first read the article I thought I was a bad idea, they are gona take over our tax system, we will have to pay what they dictate and we can't do anything about it, how can they make tax levels for everyone in countries that are very different economically etc

Or is it basically a paper exercise to pull us all together into one database?

Oh go away Jassy. I have chatted to Chalalala on other forums I haven't just come on to this thread and attacked Chalalala, I just asked a question.

Whisky, I took your post as yet another attempt to play the person not the ball. It's an old debating technique to avoid or undermine an argument without addressing the issue and it's been rife on these threads (from both sides). It really irritates me and I apologise for taking your post to belong to that category rather than genuine curiosity.

I'll stay right here though if it's all the same to you. Or even if it's not.

Ok dokey :)

Whisky it's just professional conditioning... I'm an academic, we're professional know-it-alls

Chalalala - I am IN!

Seriously?! fistbump

Yup! fistbump back :)

I think it makes sense in many respects to have an EU wide taxation system. But I'm a bit worried about the EU controlling levels of taxation, especially corporation tax.

I'm surprised the leave campaign haven't capitalised on this. Andrea Leadsom mentioned it in the TV debate but I don't think she answered a question asked about it in the webchat on here.