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Eco friendly swaps - intermediate/advanced

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XjustagirlX · 20/07/2021 09:17

Hi

I’ve been on my eco journey for a couple of years now. I’ve already used up and swapped most of my kitchen and bathroom items for eco versions. I keep going through my rubbish to see what I can replace for more eco friendly versions. I’m reducing my meat consumption. We only have one car and will replace with electric after a few years. Milk delivered. I buy most of my food from the local zero waste shop. I’m with a green energy supplier.

I’m trying to find inspiration for my next steps which people don’t really talk about or are less well known. Every time I research eco swaps I get the standard items which I have already changed (coffee cups, reusable water bottle, plastic bags etc). Does anyone have any tips they would like to share?

Also I like to buy from businesses who are trying to do some good in the world. Does anyone have any small businesses or causes worth sharing?

The reason I post this is because I recently read on Mumsnet about changing banks to an ethical bank. I had never even considered this!

TIA

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maxelly · 20/07/2021 09:59

I was just going to say things like taking a review of your finances and swapping your current account, pension, ISAs etc to ethical versions - then got to the end of your post and saw you'd considered that!

If you really want to take things further I would recommend browsing the Ethical Consumer website as there's tons of ideas on there - a lot is behind a paywall but it's only £2.50 a month or similar and really worth it IMO, such an eye opener.

For me, the 'advanced' version of ethical living is going beyond just what tangible products I buy/reducing obviously 'bad' areas like plastics and petrol, and starting to consider the broader, less visible ethics of the suppliers/companies I give money to in all aspects of my life. It's no use me killing myself to never throw away a single piece of plastic and walk/cycle everywhere if the businesses I patronize are driving diesel belching lorries around the country and binning tons of plastic in their warehouses. Warning, this is much, much harder to do than swapping shower gel for soap etc both in terms of cost and also lifestyle, so you're going to have to pace yourself, it's almost impossible to be totally in the 'green' by EC's standards without going full-on self-sustaining Earth mother IMO but there are lots of things you can do! Some of the things I have done (Warning long list incoming, as above this has been the work of a number of years, didn't all happen overnight!):

-Boycotts of some of the most egregiously terrible companies ethically: Nestle, Amazon, Asda etc (EC have a long list!).

-Try to reduce supermarket usage as pretty much all UK supermarkets perform very badly in lots of ethical tests (not just environmental but how they treat their workers and supply chain, animal rights etc), particularly the 'big 4' - this one's really hard as you need to be so organised with ordering things in advance compared to just popping to a huge shop that has everything whenever you want, and it costs £££ compared to the supermarkets, we now use a combination of veg box (which comes with some high-welfare dairy, milk, butter, eggs as well), meat from online organic butchers, zero waste/ethical shop for dried goods, tins and cans, cleaning products and toiletries (although we also try and make our own for some), local independent/world food grocers for top-ups. If it was just me in the house I think I could nearly never go to the supermarket but there are some 'treats' that DH and the kids like that are hard to get anywhere else or make yourself, so we've compromised on roughly once a month to one of the 'better' supermarkets (typically, the more expensive Waitrose/M&S/Co-op) which is a lot better than the daily Tesco trips we were on before!

-Clothes and shoes - trying to buy second hand from ebay/vinted or charity shops where we can, or from organic/fairtrade recommended providers if not - again tough because you need to do plenty of browsing to find what you want compared to easy one-click from Asos or similar, plus the organic suppliers are so expensive for clothes that do tend towards the 'lentil-weaving hippy' stereotype, harder to find stylish ethical clothing that isn't eye-wateringly pricey so it does self-encourage you back to the second hand marts!

-Replace any tech or appliances as they break/wear out with more ethical versions and/or second hand...

-Full financial audit, try and convert all financial products (especially mortgage and any investments) to ethical versions - where you invest your money can have a huge impact. It's not too hard as most building societies are 'green' on EC and there are various socially responsible ISAs/pension funds etc at most major providers these days. Also consider things like your mobile phone provider, where you buy your books/toys, insurances, streaming services, subscriptions, anything you give money to basically.

-Hard one, but consider your career - we give approximately 80,000 hours to our working lives - you can do an awful lot of good with that if you choose your career/who you work with wisely (or vice versa if you work for an evil corps!) - you don't necessarily have to swap accountancy or sales or whatever to work with sick children but maybe consider carefully the ethics of your employer and whether that aligns with your own, and making a change where possible if not - or perhaps volunteering in your spare time. The website 80,000 hours is a good resource!

maxelly · 20/07/2021 10:11

Also, sorry you wanted recommendations, here's some companies I do use and recommend: Riverford (fruit, veg and dairy), Eversfield Organic (all kinds of food, wine and v. expensive/nice 'treats'), Coombe Farm Organic (meat and fish), Ethical Superstore (tins, cans, dried goods, cleaning/household stuff and health/beauty products), Greenfibres (clothes), Thought (clothes), PHB (make-up), Neals Yard (skin care and toiletries), World of Books, Ebooks.com (amazon alternatives for books), BFI player (amazon/netflix alternatives for films)... plus as I say local charity shops and ebay/vinted for second hand stuff!

TheABC · 20/07/2021 10:22
  • Take a look at your pension and investments. Sometimes you don't even need to switch providers; there are a lot of green fund trackers out there now. (Obviously, get advice before doing so).
  • Take a look at your menstrual products (if you use them). Mooncups or reusable pads are available.

  • Beauty products are a tough one as most of the mainstream brands use plastic packaging, but there's a few out there that offer refills or have opted for bamboo/aluminum packaging.

Bramshott · 20/07/2021 10:32

We have just replaced our ageing oil-fired boiler with an air source heat pump. Not cheap, but more eco-friendly (and there's a grant which pays back some of the cost over time).

FourRandomWordsCheese · 31/07/2021 20:58

I use the ecosia search engine (like google, but they plant trees!) www.ecosia.org/

elQuintoConyo · 31/07/2021 21:12

I came here to mention ecosia search engine- beaten to it!

HasaDigaEebowai · 31/07/2021 21:17

I can recommend a book by Mike Berners Lee (brother of Tim) called “There is no Planet B” and another called “how bad are bananas”. He’s an expert on carbon footprint.

There are some interesting stats in there. For example its better to have your shopping delivered than to go to the supermarket and get it yourself.

Summerhillsquare · 31/07/2021 21:20

Home energy efficiency. Insulate every bloody thing you can reach! Nice thick curtains. Change to a heat pump and induction cooker and disconnect the gas.

Summerhillsquare · 31/07/2021 21:23

Another idea: replace your phone in due course with a Fairphone. Fixable, modular, no child labour, recycled materials. Oh and find a phone provider reducing its carbon emissions. Data use a major and increasing user of energy.

HasaDigaEebowai · 31/07/2021 21:26

The biggest thing you can do is not replace things at all until they’re completely worn out.

I was also surprised to learn many organic options are not the best choice if trying to reduce your carbon footprint. They might make you feel better for other reasons but they are not reducing carbon footprint

Orangeinmybluelightcup · 31/07/2021 21:30

You're doing well op 😁 I was going to say money but I think you've got that covered. Buying second hand clothes and toys. And being prepared to give second hand as gifts?! I haven't cracked that one yet. I actually think the biggest thing is sharing. That's what I'm working on. Telling people about what you've done, without sounding like a total arse. It's a challenge! But making these things normal is really important.

BikeRunSki · 31/07/2021 21:51

Really think about what you need to buy, and when you do, use Which? and Buy Me Once to find stuff that is long lasting. Higher prices than we are used to.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 31/07/2021 23:08

There are some interesting stats in there. For example its better to have your shopping delivered than to go to the supermarket and get it yourself.

That’s interesting. Is it specifically about people who drive to the supermarket or is there some other reason?

HasaDigaEebowai · 01/08/2021 07:00

It makes an assumption of a customer who lives one mile from a supermarket and drives an average petrol car. The CO2e value is basically the measure of the climate change impact expressed in terms of the amount of carbon dioxide that would have the same impact over a 100 year period.

150g for supermarket delivery by electric van
450g for supermarket delivery by diesel van
1kg if you drive yourself to the supermarket.

HasaDigaEebowai · 01/08/2021 07:05

Cut flowers are also particularly shocking for the environment (unless grown in your garden).

YukoandHiro · 01/08/2021 07:08

Maybe switch to a plant based milk because dairy has a massive carbon footprint (then again almond milk is linked to water shortages so it's a bit of a tricky call)

HasaDigaEebowai · 01/08/2021 07:36

Think about what fruit and bag you eat. The aim is to buy local as much as you can. If you can’t however then remember the following-

Apples, oranges, bananas, pineapples and melons - all fine since they are thick skinned and come in by boat

Manger out, tenderstem broccoli, asparagus, grapes, berries - not fine unless I’m grown since they’re flown in at massive carbon cost.

HasaDigaEebowai · 01/08/2021 07:37

Mange tout not manger out!

HasaDigaEebowai · 01/08/2021 07:38

home grown.

I might give up and go back to bed

HasaDigaEebowai · 01/08/2021 07:51

Maybe switch to a plant based milk because dairy has a massive carbon footprint (then again almond milk is linked to water shortages so it's a bit of a tricky call)

Almond milk from California kg of CO2e per kg to produce - 0.6
British cows milk - 1.9

Almond milk is far better

user1471523870 · 03/08/2021 09:03

I don't know if you have done these things already, but I am sharing just in case you haven't (and based on my experience):

  • grow your own. I have an allotment (walkable distance from home), and that means I am producing with no packaging and virtually for free. We are almost sorted out for summer veg and get some for winter (either by using the frozen summer surplus or winter veg). I also get a lot of berries from it. If you don't have one you could consider growing your own herbs?
  • repair/donate/exchange as much as possible. I apply this rule mostly to children's stuff and gadgets for the house/kitchen. Before buying new I always try and see if I can find one preloved, and I put it back on the market or give it to friends after I no longer need it.
  • even if I bring my own containers to the shops, I have a milkman etc, I still produce waste. But before throwing any packaging away I always try to reuse it. For instance, I never throw away the plastic bags that clothes come in if you buy online. Instead I use them as nappy bags (I also use reusable nappies, but I also use normal nappies). Or bread bags get used to freeze homemade cake, etc. Everything gets used more than once before going to the bin for good.
  • when it comes to eco swaps, I always make sure the item needs replacing. It might not be right for some things, but generally speaking I try to avoid being carried away with the idea of having all eco friendly and get rid of things that are perfectly fine and would last many more years. For instance, I am SO SO SO tempted to clear my bathroom from all the plastic pots of creams and lotions and go completely plastic free. But why should I do that when they are still full of products? The sensible thing to do is to replace them one by one after I run out of a product.
  • walk/bike instead of driving, for short and manageable distances
Toffeewhirl · 04/08/2021 20:05

I'm trying to reduce our food waste at the moment and have started using a free app called Kitche. You can photograph your supermarket receipt, then it downloads your products and reminds you when food needs to be used up. It will even give you recipe ideas for using up leftovers.

Love Food Hate Waste is a good website on this topic too (can't remember how to add links from my mobile, sorry).

I'm also on a drive to reduce our use of plastic at home. I've just bought a 5 litre carton of Faith in Nature shampoo, so that I won't have to recycle all those separate shampoo bottles anymore. And I'm gradually replacing plastic products. Bought a few good things from a company called Anything But Plastic recently, including dental tablets to replace toothpaste (toothpaste tubes can't be recycled).

BlueChampagne · 06/08/2021 12:20

Subscribe to Ethical Consumer, which will give you lots of help and ideas

BahHumbygge · 06/08/2021 14:16

Don’t “consume”… at the intermediate/advanced level, think about NOT buying stuff, rather than “eco” swaps which are mainly just greenwash marketing. Buy or do the simplest thing possible.

So, say, for household cleaning, buy a cheapo bottle of stardrops, decant some into an empty spray bottle then top up with water. Or get boxes of citric acid/bicarb/washing soda crystals + elbow grease.

Shampoo - I’ve given up using even Lush shampoo bars/refills of Faith in Nature, now I just wash my hair with soft water (rainwater or from dehumidifier with my head over the bath). Transition takes longer than the stated 6 weeks, but if you start in the autumn, you can mostly get away with a hat for a few months or hair stick and bun.

Other toiletries - I just use bar soap, toothbrush, floss, smudge of 30p Morrisons value toothpaste, and a shake of bicarb on a damp facecloth for deodorant.

Food:
Vegetables - from local organic farm at local market. They have a mixture of their own stuff, other local producers plus more exotic stuff like bananas & avocados bought in from wholesalers.
Fruit - from our own fruit trees. I let the brambles grow a bit in the garden and pick the blackberries. Sometimes buy bags of frozen berries from Aldi (much better value than the fresh plastic punnets). Other than that I don’t eat much fruit, as so much of it is imported on planes/container ships and stored in massive temperature controlled warehouses for weeks, requiring a huge industrial and fossil fuel infrastructure.
Meat - from local butchers - all local and pastured. Contrary to prevailing narratives, pastureland used for raising ruminants is actually a net carbon sink… it sequesters more carbon in the deep root systems of the grasses than the animals emit. Plus row cropping of annual grain and legume monocrops, which are the mainstay of a plant based diet decimate soil integrity and all the carbon and nutrients it contains. They require vast amounts of ecocidal and fossil fuel based fertilisers, pesticides, herbicides and insecticides. More and more biologists are realising what a catastrophe glyphosate is for the human gut microbiome, soil microbiology and plant and animal health. Grasslands and ruminants are integral to one another and are essential for restoring topsoil, sequestering carbon and developing regenerative agriculture for perennial human food production. Read The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith and Sacred Cow by Diana Rodgers for a different perspective on meat in regenerative food systems.
Milk - unpasteurised organic pastured jersey milk in glass bottles from local dairy farmer. Also get yoghurt and eggs from them.
Supermarkets - try and minimise my spends in there to a bare minimum. I try to get yellow sticker stuff to save stuff from waste, then just get very basic groceries like passata, coffee beans, tea etc and cook from scratch.
I take my own tubs to the butchers and produce bags to the market, so that’s all zero plastic.
Basically I eat a place based diet rather than a plant based diet.

Clothes - Ebay/Vinted/Charity shop. I’m trying to not buy things I don’t need at the moment and am decluttering, as I have too much stuff. Humans only need a couple of each clothing item - one on, a couple in the washing basket - anything else is fashion, and that’s a catastrophe for the planet - toxic dyes, pesticides, sweatshop labour etc. I now go for practical, long lasting brands second hand, rather than fashionable. I also use a darning mushroom to mend holes in socks/tops etc.

Utilities - take meter readings every day to keep a close eye on usage. Avoid excess use, eg by turning off the shower while soaping up, only filling the kettle to the level required, lids on saucepans etc. In winter, only set the heating to 16 - 17°C and wear a cosy jumper, wool socks and wrist warmers.

Tech - I have an ancient iPhone 6, which I’m not intending to upgrade for a while yet. Though it does need a new battery, which I’m loath to get, as lithium mining is catastrophic for the indigenous people and nature in Mongolia and the border lands of Argentina/Bolivia/Chile. I’ll likewise hold off upgrading my laptop for as long as possible, and may consider going tech-free at that stage, Mark Boyle style.

Data usage - this is a HUGE impact on global energy supplies, so try to delete as many emails as possible, reduce my online footprint, lessen social media use etc. I don’t use Netflix, but I do have a rather big Youtube habit, so I click on the little cog icon and reduce the screen resolution quality to around 360, which is fine for most discussions/presentations. Likewise, I won’t buy bitcoin etc as the energy costs of all that virtual mining is humongous. When blockchain/internet of things is rolled out more and more, I intend to be much more of a tech refusenik.

XjustagirlX · 11/08/2021 09:05

Thank you everyone for your tips.

Don’t worry I haven’t been making eco swaps until I have used up what I currently have. I had so many moisturisers and I’m finally on my last one after about a year! I only buy the eco version once I run out.

I’ve downloaded Ecosia - such an easy swap I can’t believe I had never heard of it.
The fair phone is so interesting. I will definitely buy this once my current iPhone 7 dies.
I was trying to buy myself a capsule wardrobe of high quality items. But I’ve downloaded Vinted and will only now buy second hand when I need something.

One of our biggest waste areas is food shopping at Asda. We actually buy a gousto box for in the week as for us it’s cheaper and easier with less food waste. Ultimately I would like to get away from it eventually but for now it works for us. We do recycle all of the packaging we can.

From now on we will be more organised with our weekend meals and we will be going to do a once a week shop at our Local plastic free shop to buy our fruit and veg and a local farm shop for the small times we do eat meat. And I need to find a local fishmongers but I haven’t found one yet!

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