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Child Trust Fund - ethical investment?

19 replies

NoviceKnitter · 12/10/2007 14:51

About to research - let me know if you've already found a good account... thanks

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inamuckingfuddle · 12/10/2007 15:00

we have ours with CIS which is coop, seems ok so far, I'm at work now so will have to look up details at home

phdlife · 12/10/2007 15:03

Family Investments rated relatively well in a recent comparative table (I tore mine out of the guardian or observer money section, with nothing so useful as a date/reference, sorry) -- it came in 13th out of 20, with a 26% return (Halifax, #1, had a 50% return ). It was the only ethical fund listed iirc.

phdlife · 12/10/2007 15:04

lol at ina's name too

NoviceKnitter · 12/10/2007 15:35

Thanks - wow phd that's quite a difference. would really swing it if they each laid out how money is actually invested! a financial advisor once told me ethicial policies are not as ethical as they make out - but he would say that wouldn't he...

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phdlife · 12/10/2007 15:54

Yes, know what you mean.

tbh was not all that impressed with Family's very vague terms, hang on I'll grab it...

phdlife · 12/10/2007 15:56

They "only invest in companies that pass set ethical criteria. For instance, we'll avoid investing in companies that generate significant turnover from testing cosmetics or toiletries on animals, importing tropical hardwood or activities that pollute waterways."

Arms manufacturers presumably still okay then

lemonaid · 12/10/2007 15:58

DS's is with Children's Mutual who have Green and Ethical funds available.

phdlife · 12/10/2007 15:59

oh whoops, on a different brochure they say

"we avoid investing in companies who generate significant turnover from the export of goods or services for military users, or the testing of cosmetics or toiletries on animals."

It sounds really namby-pamby to me; I'd like to see specific and comprehensive lists, or even the "set ethical criteria".

What would be even better would be active investing in pro-ethical companies.

lemonaid · 12/10/2007 16:01

(and I see from their website that they now have an Ethical Baby Bond stakeholder account (we went for the non-stakeholder option and then chose the ethical fund))

Apparently

"The ethical Baby Bond® invests in the CIS UK FTSE4Good Tracker TrustTM. This fund only holds shares in companies that show real commitment to the environment and human rights. For example, they can't be involved in environmentally or socially damaging activities such as the manufacture of tobacco, weapons or nuclear power."

"What's more, all FTSE4GoodTM licensing revenues go to UNICEF ? so by choosing the ethical Baby Bond® you will not only be giving your own child a great start in life but will also be helping children around the world."

NoviceKnitter · 12/10/2007 16:10

That does sound appealing. will check those out. just checked Which? and they only recommend four CTF providers and none of them with an ethical stance. Thanks

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NoviceKnitter · 12/10/2007 16:12

ps I wish non ethical cos had to list areas of investment - i mean i know we know but in black and white wd be gd. and gov incentives to ethically invest - yeah well, dream on on that score...

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NoviceKnitter · 12/10/2007 16:19

This from Which? Sorry long and slightly dull but no good doing a link as you have to be a subscriber. Might be interesting to others on the lookout for this - though no concrete advice...

The fund manager decides which companies? shares to buy, based on their trading performance and future potential. Ethical funds also invest using these criteria but choose from a smaller selection of companies whose activities are ethically acceptable. This is called ?screening?.
Screening

  • Negative screening is where funds exclude companies that deal, for example, in arms, pornography, animal testing or oppressive regimes
  • Positive screening is where funds invest in companies that make a positive contribution to communities or provide solutions to environmental or social problems. The terms ?light green? and ?dark green? are also sometimes given to ethical funds
  • Light green funds refer to those which exclude companies involved in activities, such as animal testing and the arms trade, but may invest in mainstream companies that improve their environmental or social policies
  • Dark green funds, on the other hand, use the strictest ethical criteria. These funds usually exclude investing in the largest companies in the UK

Checking where the money goes

You can check where funds are investing their money on websites such as Trustnet and Morningstar. The UK Social Investment Forum?s website also gives information about ethical investments and provides links to various ethical funds.

But the best way is to get the annual report and accounts of the company or investment fund in which you are interested in investing, and ask for its statement of ethical principles to see whether they match yours.

Independent financial adviser Robin Keyte says: ?I always encourage clients to be pragmatic when it comes to ethical investing. Depending on how strict their ethical criteria are, how much risk they can take, how long they can invest and whether they need income or growth, they are unlikely to find a perfect match to their requirements and often need to compromise a little.'

He continues: 'However, that doesn?t mean there is no choice or that the choice is poor. There are good, bad and average performers in the ethical market, just as in any market.?

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NoviceKnitter · 12/10/2007 18:22

Hi Lemonaid - been getting my head round this a bit more and have only found the stakeholder option. did you go for the normal non stakeholder and then have an ethical fund option?

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lemonaid · 12/10/2007 18:51

We went for the normal non-stakeholder and then had an ethical fund option, but that was nearly three years ago.

On closer investigation the stakeholder option is in cooperation with CIS (here) which may be why you couldn't find it?

inamuckingfuddle · 13/10/2007 14:17

have finally checked ours - its the one lemonaid mentioned below, CIS UK ftse4good Tracker trust from CIS in conjunction with Children's mutual.

MrsJamin · 18/10/2007 18:30

Really useful thread, saved me doing some research so thanks everyone

lulu25 · 29/10/2007 19:54

hi, reviving this before ds hits 1 and the voucher expires...

the only non-stakeholder ones i can find from children's mutual are the two insight investment funds.

is the CIS one someone mentioned a stakeholder fund?

NoviceKnitter · 14/11/2007 21:02

Hi Lulu, just looking at this again as DD's voucher has finally arrived. I think that lemonaid was saying you can opt for a normal non-stakeholder one but then go for the ethical fund option - the straight ethical ones all seem to be stakeholder. I'm going to try and go for the same as lemonaid - will try and call them tomorrow.

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DaddyPaddy · 22/03/2010 21:05

Hi everyone, just in case anyone is following this thread I thought I'd add my two penneth. I'm about to be a dad again for the 3rd time and am looking for a new Child Trust Fund. My first two are with F&C which has done well but now I'm interest in being a bit more sustainable with my investments. I found a good post about the best ethical child trust funds It seems to cover off all the options...just waiting for my next little 'un to arrive now!

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