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Washing powder which is green and WORKS!!!! Can anyone help?

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Pannacotta · 28/03/2007 14:38

I use BioD washing powder at the mo but am finding it is not good at getting marks/stains out of clothes (usually wash at 40 or 50 degrees). I don't have time to treat every piece of dirty clothing with a separate stain remover (my DS is 2 and pretty mucky) so really need a better powder.
Don't want to use Ecover for various reasons but I did find it more effective.
Can anyone recommend a decent alternative, before my DH goes off and buys standard bio from Sainsburys...
TIA

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percypig · 28/03/2007 14:40

I can't recommend anything, but am wondering if there is something 'ungreen' about Ecover. I use it, and it's really the only 'green' make of cleaning products available where I live.

Pannacotta · 28/03/2007 15:08

Their animal testing policy is not good and I have heard they are generally not v ethical either, though I dont know too much about that.

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Callisto · 28/03/2007 21:00

I use Ecover wu liquid and fabric conditioner - hadn't even crossed my mind they would test on animals. Gawd, being green is so hard sometimes.

For washing clothes have you tried soap nuts? I haven't yet but lots do on here and they are meant to be v good.

Pannacotta · 28/03/2007 21:10

Was pondering trying soap nuts.
Not sure Ecover actually commission animal tests but their policy re ingredients they use and animal testing is not at all good and they are not approved as "bunny friendly" by BUAV or Naturewatch (whereas Clear Spring and Bio-D and Coop all are).
Agree it is hard work being green...

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DrMarthaMcMoo · 28/03/2007 21:12

I don't find soap nuts very good at stain removal though they are OK for not-really-dirty clothes (also...I don't like the smell )

thirtysomething · 28/03/2007 21:13

Tesco's Naturally effective range is fab! I use their washing liquid at 30 degrees on everything - I have two v. messy kids with hyper-sensitive skin and it always gets stains out without irritating their skin. It's cheaper than Ecover too. Am not a fan of Tesco's but have to admit this is fab so go every so often and stock up!

tinkerbellhadpiles · 28/03/2007 21:14

Soap nuts are good. But a bit of a faff between washes putting them in a jam jar and if you forget and they get manky you have to throw them away and start again and then after three washes you have to remember to chuck them anyway blah de blah blah.

Much better to just wash everything on a lower temperature and save the planet that way IMHO

jollyfolly · 28/03/2007 21:26

apart from my work uniform i pretty much always wash at 30 degrees and generally use tesco naturally range... ds always in the mud and his clothes seem to come out clean. Although must admit am not terribly neurotic about stains so maybe i just dont notice them... also usually he wears dark clothes as they hide the muck, white would be a complete no no for him!!! I also use eco balls although they recommend and provide a stain remover for heavy stains.

Callisto · 29/03/2007 12:41

I use the Tesco's Naturally spray cleaner which I like. Is it really green though?

zizou · 15/04/2007 19:47

horrified to find out that ecover are not actually green.......so what is?

Manictigger · 04/05/2007 16:21

I don't understand the thing about Ecover and animal testing. If you look at their website www.ecover.com, they are clearly against animal testing, or are you saying they're lying? I'm genuinely confused.

dottyspots · 06/05/2007 21:32

"Soap nuts are good. But a bit of a faff between washes putting them in a jam jar and if you forget and they get manky you have to throw them away and start again and then after three washes you have to remember to chuck them anyway blah de blah blah. "

Jam jar?????

I've been using soapnuts for ages, I've never had to put them in a jamjar before

Handful in a cotton bag, tie it up twice (to stop them escaping), couple of drops of lavender EO and into the drum. I then re-use the bag until it seems stuff isn't coming out so clean

Ecover bleach for whites, although occasionally I am very ungreen and use Vanish (but it's only one in a blue moon).

dottyspots · 06/05/2007 21:34

From Ecover's website:
Animal products

Our products do not contain animal derivatives. The only exception is Milk whey which is included in Ecover Camomile and Marigold washing up liquid. Apart from this one washing up liquid, all Ecover products carry the Vegan Society label, which means that a leading vegan organisation deems them suitable for consumers who do not wish to use products containing animal ingredients. An alternative vegan washing up liquid, Lemon and Aloe Vera, has, however, been developed and was launched in 1997.

Animal experiments

From the outset, Ecover has never tested ingredients or products on animals, nor commissioned such tests, and it has always been candid about it. In our opinion, animal testing to assess environmental and health risks is unnecessary.

Ecover is a pioneering company whose cleaning products are produced with the objective of minimising their impact on the environment. Ecover products are developed using formulations based on renewable plant, and widely available mineral ingredients as an alternative to the petro-chemical based brands which currently dominate the market.

All Ecover ingredients, therefore, are chosen to ensure that our products achieve the lowest possible toxicity and the most rapid and complete biodegradability to minimise the impact on the environment and all life forms.

Because of these demanding objectives and because Ecover is the leading company in this, Ecover is working with a higher proportion of new ingredients which can offer improved overall environmental advantages to the benefit of all forms of life, whether human, animal or plant.

Alternatives to Animal Testing

For a long time, Ecover has been using alternative testing methods based on bacteria, algae and red blood cells to evaluate the possible environmental and health risks posed by various products. Since we also expect the same level of commitment from our suppliers, we ask them for an annual statement confirming that the materials they supply to us have not been tested on animals. What is significant in this respect is not so much our control but on-going encouragement to keep looking for reliable alternatives.

Actual Policy

In line with ECOVER?s environmental policy and in recognition of the strong beliefs held by animal welfare organisations, we offer a clearly defined animal testing policy:

since their foundation in 1980 ECOVER have never tested any finished products or ingredients on animals, nor have they ordered such tests by third parties
for research and product development ECOVER use alternative methods of testing only. For Example ? RBC (Red blood cell test)
all Ecover suppliers are required to submit an annual written confirmation for each ingredient that no animal tests have been conducted on it. These statements guarantee that none of the ingredients have been tested or re-tested for the last five years
Ecover will continue to pressure all suppliers to ban animal testing
Ecover is not a member of BIBRA
to reflect the development of Ecover?s animal testing policy Ecover supports FRAME (Fund for the Replacement of Animals in Medical Experiments)

Ecover and a Fixed Cut Off Date

Ecover continually strive to improve their product range against all of their exacting criteria - These include sustainability of ingredients, achieving low aquatic toxicity, effective primary degradation, High skin compatibility and good ultimate (secondary) degradation. In addition the products must also perform and be available at a realistic price. To achieve this Ecover are continually developing and testing new ingredients. We do not perform these tests on animals and employ alternative methods.

For these ingredients to be included in a product, ingredient suppliers are forced by international law to prove their innocuity.

The introduction of a fixed cut off date at this stage would prevent Ecover from using these new ingredients and advances in their products which are developed in order to further benefit the environment. This is because a fixed cut off date prevents a company from introducing any ingredients that have been developed after this date.

For example, in March 2002 Ecover introduced Ecover Squirteco ? a ready to use all purpose cleaner. The product was developed using a new generation of ingredients ? bio-surfactants. Ecover have tested the product and its ingredients extensively using alternative methods. However a fixed cut off date would have prevented its introduction.

Ecover believe that by operating the five year rolling rule we are upholding our beliefs ? we are honest and integral in our approach and will continue to pioneer for the future.

expatinscotland · 06/05/2007 21:35

I have two very 'green' pals back in Boulder.

One uses Dr. Bronner's soap.

The other makes her own 'gloop'.

Piffle · 06/05/2007 21:36

I use lakelands wash balls with excellent results
I do use vanish spray on for stains that I want out though

Sarmorrow · 06/05/2007 21:50

"Soap nuts are good. But a bit of a faff between washes putting them in a jam jar and if you forget and they get manky you have to throw them away and start again and then after three washes you have to remember to chuck them anyway blah de blah blah."

Jam Jar? Not needed. The shells can dry out happily after each wash, or not. Sometimes they go straight back in the drum of the machine, sometimes I leave them on the side. Doesn't affect them at all.

I'd love to know where you got the jam jar thing from?

And 3 washes? Throw them away. Sorry, but again, a misconception. A washing bag full of soap nut shells (about 20-25g) will do 4-8 washes depending on the size of load, soiling and type of water. Then they go in the compost.

I sell them, I know what I'm talking about here. How to use Soap Nuts

Sarah

portonovo · 07/05/2007 10:11

I agree, Sarah. I've never used a jam jar, soapnuts live in the washing machine.

I tend to use them about 5-6 times before composting them.

For several years I did make my own washing 'gloop' and got on pretty well with that. On balance I prefer soapnuts, but if ever I needed a dirt-cheap (!) solution again I would revert to gloop, because it's just so cheap, even compared to soapnuts which are themselves very economical.

Highlander · 07/05/2007 15:20

I use soap nuts with a 1/4 scoop of Vanish and Ecover Fab Conditioner.

MrsWho · 07/05/2007 18:05

I use soapnuts and have been converting my friends, and now I can compost them too

Quite interested in the gloop though how do you make it?

zizou · 12/05/2007 12:15

My kids' school shirts are really really embarassingly grey now. I have been using ecover at 40 degrees, topping it up with ecover bleach where necessary, but they are frankly a right disgrace. I don't want them to be that chemically bluey white, I know you can only get that by using BAD things, but I would like them not to look at risk.

luciemule · 21/05/2007 14:01

Well - I have trialled Eco Wash Balls and I'm really disappointed. They're fine for usual, non- stained/non sweat smelling washing but apart from that, they're not good. I wouldn't recommend them apart from for clothes that just need a general wash. I've had to re-wash some clothing which uses another load of water so outweighs the green thing.

MerryMarigold · 21/05/2007 14:04

i've just started using tesco's 'green' bio, which claims to have no phosphates.

i use 'washnuts' for ds's clothes as he has eczema. it is rubbish at stains and whites, but as long as the clothes are clean, i don't worry about stains!

am reading this thread with interest.

MerryMarigold · 21/05/2007 14:12

I do keep my washnuts in a jar as the box always arrives very squished and covered in brown tape holding it together (i don't order from you, sarah, but i may well start). by the time i open the box it is not re-usable.

i will try using bleach in the white washes, but will that not irritate sensitive skin??

pannacotta you can def use washnuts on at least some of your washes as they are the most eco and cheap thing i have found.

luciemule · 21/05/2007 20:47

Think I am going to use the eco balls for the majority of washes but not for DH's sweaty sports stuff and whites (DD's school socks look awful). At least that's helping a bit - whoever said earlier down the thread that being green isn't easy, is right. But it's not our fault - that's progress for you!Why can't it all be green/organic like it was in the olden days?!

dottyspots · 27/05/2007 18:37

You could try Ecover bleach, MerryMarigold, however with sensitive skin it can be difficult to find something that doesn't irritate.

Ecover also make a stain remover which might be helpful?

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