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Ethical dilemmas

Danielle Lloyd selecting her babies gender

64 replies

Zeelove · 15/12/2017 17:34

What does everyone think about it? I think, if she has the money why not? www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/danielle-lloyd-divides-fans-after-11701891

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AnyFucker · 16/12/2017 18:24

They check the sex chromosiomes before they put the embryo(s) back in

Tiredemma · 16/12/2017 18:26

She lives near me. Bored to shit of seeing her swanning around.

Essexgirlupnorth · 16/12/2017 20:31

Very easy to sex an embryo using genetic techniques during IVF.
I agree it should only be used to select against sex linked disorders not for parental preference.
A colleague recently visited a genetic centre in India and some of the stories she came back with about male preference were shocking. Yes sexing by ultrasound is banned but if you pay enough there will be a doctor that will do it. Parents only seeking treatment for male children and keeping females with disabilities hidden away. Very sad.

MadisonAvenue · 16/12/2017 20:37

HidingBehind when I was pregnant with my sons in 1997 and 2000 my local hospital wouldn't reveal the sex at scans to anyone, regardless of race or religion, for that reason.

expatinscotland · 16/12/2017 20:44

Gah, people please stop clicking on articles about this media whore that is Danielle Lloyd. Then maybe she'll just disappear, hopefully.

DancesWithOtters · 16/12/2017 20:59

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KenForPM · 16/12/2017 21:30

Dances she’s a glamour model.

fia101 · 16/12/2017 21:42

How can she afford her lifestyle?

MrsDoyleFallingOutTheWindow · 17/12/2017 00:29

Madisonavenue same here.

PinkJeggings · 17/12/2017 00:34

You mean sex, not gender

RestingGrinchFace · 17/12/2017 00:43

If she is having IVF just to choose gender she is a fool and will suffer for it but I don't see what is wrong with it morally. If she's selectively aborting male fetuses then that's quite horrible. Access to safe and legal abortions is important and there are many very good reasons to have an abortion. However, abortion is still a horrible thing and not to be undertaken uncessesarily. if she is willing to get pregnant knowing that she will essentially kill her unborn child if she doesn't like the gender then that is quite a poor reflection on her. It's clearly for the best though if she can't love her child if it is a boy.

hollowtree · 17/12/2017 00:49

assassinated I really wanted a girl though! I'm not sure everyone would want boys... probably a 50/50 which is what we would need anyway.

Also I'm not sure I agree with it to be honest... I think the emphasis should be more on healthy than specifics. Agree to avoid possible problems though

EvaBlu · 17/12/2017 07:43

HollowTree - across the world as a whole the preference for boys far outstrips girls. In China girl feoutuses are aborted and girl babies abandoned leading to an existing imbalance even without the easier option of sex selection. India has similar issues.

A majority of men without women to match leads to problems such as depression, increase in violence, sexual violence etc.

Why let the super rich do it when if all others were given the same choice the world would be in dire straits?

NerudaIsHeaven · 17/12/2017 07:52

I have no idea why people want one or the other TBH. Besides genitalia there is no difference between them whatsoever.

People seem to want girls so they have someone to dress up in cute outfits and go and get their nails done with.

minipie · 17/12/2017 09:28

Nerudals that's the problem I have with it.

People choosing the sex of their baby, or even having a strong preference to choose if they could, simply reinforces this myth that there is a big difference between boys and girls and that if you have a girl you will get experience X (pretty dresses, dolls, colouring) and if you have a boy you will get experience Y (football, trains, rough and tumble).

So it perpetuates the stereotypes and expectations for each sex, and that is harmful in all sorts of ways.

It would be much better if people recognised that sex alone doesn't tell you a single thing about what kind of child and what kind of parenting experience you will have, other than how they will pee.

There's also the slippery slope issue. Right now, genetic testing can tell us whether an embryo is male or female, and test for certain health conditions. What about if testing could, in the not too distant future, discover whether a child would be tall or short? Have blue eyes or brown? Light skin or dark skin? Be clever or not so clever? Would it be ok to choose the more preferred genes and discard the others?

Blahblahblahzeeblah · 17/12/2017 09:33

I think it's more common than people admit to. Many celebs are having B/G twins or a final baby of the opposite sex after 3 or 4 of the other.

I don't like it. If I could have chosen before pregnancy what sex my child would be id have chosen a daughter but my son is such a delight the thought of missing out on his gorgeous crazy boyness is quite sad.

If you have a genetic condition which would only affect one sex then it makes sense but in order to create your perfect designer family I find it quite unpleasant.

NatMatCat · 17/12/2017 09:45

Sex selection is a bad idea becasue it leads to an imbalance of men and women. Throughout the west girls are preferred. In Asia it's usually boys.

Interestingly the difficulty for men in finding a marriage partner have led to the Chinese middle class actually preferring girls now. Boys require enormous financial security in order to secure a wife.

MrsDoyleFallingOutTheWindow · 17/12/2017 09:50

People in most of the world have a preference because of financial reasons. If you've got a dowry worth thousands riding on it then of course you're going to be inclined to select if possible. In population terms, this can have disastrous effects.

LadyinCement · 17/12/2017 09:56

It is extremely coincidental how many celebrities manage boy/girl twins... especially at an advanced age.

I know someone who went to Eastern Europe for IVF to acquire a boy/girl twin outcome. Very sadly the girl twin died in utero and the woman went berserk. (Never really bonded with the little boy, which is very sad.)

IVF should be for those with fertility problems, and sex selection to avoid diseases, not as a means to complete a life "shopping list".

mustbemad17 · 17/12/2017 10:00

I detest this. I can understand for genetic issues, that I have no issue with. But simply because you want a boy or a girl? No way.

I think we have gone a bit too far with some of the things we can do pre-implantation now. There is a British couple in the US who had identical twin boys born five years apart...wtaf?! Why would you mess with something like that?

expatinscotland · 17/12/2017 10:02

'It is extremely coincidental how many celebrities manage boy/girl twins... especially at an advanced age. '

Not at all, they have made to order twins and those at advanced age are likely using egg donors.

ElfOneself · 17/12/2017 10:02

i Think it’s very dangerous and damaging for the child and any previous children. All the expectations on one to be a certain way, the others not the golden one.
I’ve known people who have aborted a boy as they want a girl, and someone who was relieved they mis carried a boy as they want a girl.
Both cases they went on to have girls who are every part the pink stereotype. Their brothers are told to be careful around them.
Other than genetics I think it’s a very very dangerous thing.

LadyinCement · 17/12/2017 10:03

expat - that was a teensy bit of irony in my post.

Aragog · 17/12/2017 10:04

HidingBehind - not revealing the sex of the baby was the norm in the UK for some areas, even when it was definitely possible to do so. I had Dd is 2002 and in our city the policy was that you couldn't find out. You can now but not sure when it changed their policy.

HateSummer · 17/12/2017 10:08

So the easiest solution is to ban sex selection except for genetic conditions.

Otherwise you ban just Muslims or certain cultures.
What do you mean by this?

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