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Elderly parents

Parents struggling to set boundaries after being scammed

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Chingchok · 20/01/2025 17:47

I would really appreciate any advice or shared experiences about predatory family relationships. A couple of years ago, it was discovered that my sister and her partner tricked our parents into giving them a large sum of money. Her partner was using the money for drugs. She never admitted that she was aware of his deception but only my parents believe her. The police were unable to help as the money was freely given. My parents own her house but she refused to move out or sell it to raise money. They simply accept that since she doesn’t work/can’t work, she is unable to repay them. They at least stopped sending money for “bills”, but I feel like they are still vulnerable.

Right now I am helping them to clear their home, including all of her childhood belongings so they can use her bedroom, and I am floored by their attitude to this process. I feel like they haven’t really processed or grieved the betrayal. They want to make sure we give her any items that she wants, being careful not to throw or donate anything, and allow her to sell anything of value (without giving them the money). The work of clearing and sorting has been frankly exhausting, even for me - and I am much younger than them. I pointed out that many parents would simply have got rid of or sold all of their child’s possessions after being betrayed in this way, and while I am not advocating for that, I do think that items she has clearly said she doesn’t want should be sold or reused by them. They are so intent on doing the right thing that they seem to have lost all sense of proportion. My sister hasn’t shown much remorse, has no intention of repaying them, and speaks pretty rudely to my parents. I am not asking them to evict her, I even understand that they still want her in their lives, but I am at a loss to understand why they let her dominate and victimise them this way. For reference, she did not leave the partner when she found out what he had done and appears to be perfectly happy in the relationship.

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I8toys · 20/01/2025 18:00

I'm unsure of the set up here. She lives in a house owned by your parents plus she still has a room full of stuff at your parents? How old is she? Usually you move out with the things you want. I would box it up and give her a date to collect it if she wants it. If she doesn't give to charity.

Chingchok · 20/01/2025 18:20

41 yrs old. They bought her a mobile home 20 minutes away, when she was evicted from her previous home. That’s a whole other topic that is beyond me! 😝 It’s tiny, anyway, and no space for the stuff in her room. And yes you’re right, she should have gone through it before and cleared it. They allowed it because she didn’t have space, but no doubt also because of her learning difficulties (the reason she has struggled to find work, and tbh a contributing factor to my parents’ attitude in this situation). But most is going to be unwanted and very little value. She had already said she wanted to sell things to make money (for herself). I pushed hard on the clothes, and they agreed to donate them. But for everything else, they are insisting she get the chance to look through and decide for herself. “It’s hers” “She paid for that with her own money”. I’m starting to question myself and whether I’m being some kind of monster?! This isn’t about punishing her. But I feel like it’s part of the healing process for them.

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rookiemere · 20/01/2025 18:36

Stating the obvious, but it feels like it's about more than what's in the room and you're resentful that your DPs haven't acknowledged that she was a part of this scam.

But that's up to them OP, it's not up to you to tell them how to treat her or decide what process they need to go through.

I would take a step back with the room clearing if it is exhausting you and merely point out to them that the room won't be cleared until a decision is taken on all the items in it and to give you a shout once they are at that point.

For the future I would make sure that you are named for sole power of attorney for financial matters.

myplace · 20/01/2025 18:45

What’s the clearing of the home in preparation for?

While you understand the situation from the perspective of protecting your parents, they see it from the perspective of protecting their vulnerable, learning disabled DD who is in a bad relationship.

Neither perspective is wrong.

Chingchok · 20/01/2025 18:50

You’re absolutely right; I guess at the root of this is that my brother and I both have concerns that they will start giving away their money again, unless they fully come to terms with the reality. They need the room in a week for a guest (!), so it does need doing, and they aren’t well enough. Im
happy to clean, sort and load the stuff into boxes. I suppose I just need to get extra clear about my boundaries - they are free to believe what they wish, but I don’t want to engage in a discussion about it every few days so they can try to convince me. My brother still lives overseas but now I’ve moved back, they would like us all to forgive and forget.

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Whatevershallidowithmylife · 20/01/2025 18:53

She's their daughter and sometimes it's easier to pretend things didn't happen because no-one would like to believe their child could do that.

Caterina99 · 20/01/2025 19:08

I think you probably have to let it go OP. I’m sure I’d feel the same way as you. Not the same situation or any way near as extreme, but I often feel frustrated that my parents continue to bankroll my DB (close to 40) and I’ve just accepted that it’s their choice and don’t mention it anymore.

Agree make sure you and you alone are POA, executor etc.

As for the stuff in the room. It is her stuff and they probably don’t want her getting upset with them for getting rid of her things. They obviously don’t connect it to the money and boyfriend issue like you do. Can you/they ask her to come and decide what she wants so the rest can be got rid of? Or just take it to her house and she can do what she wants with it? Take a step back if it annoys you too much!

Chingchok · 20/01/2025 19:11

Various reasons; my mum’s sister is coming to stay for her birthday, and they want the guest room to be comfortable and dust free, so that’s the short term reason. My sister’s room is not very big so it’s just the tip of the iceberg really. Also they have had several issues including mould, partly because they couldn’t afford to heat the home. So anything affected by the mould needs to go. My parents are borderline hoarders, sentimental about belongings, and their own bedroom is full to bursting. The entire home feels like an obstacle course and it’s a serious trip hazard. My mum tripped last year and broke a hip and the recovery was long; she was unable to clean or do laundry and they couldn’t afford help. She is unhappy and stressed with so much clutter and laundry around. My main motivation is to improve their quality of life so that they can relax and enjoy their home. They aren’t able to do so right now. There’s no space to dry laundry, no space to do their hobbies. And they are embarrassed about it. Being so far away, we were not fully aware of the scale of the issues, which have quietly got worse, as they would tidy up as much as possible whenever we would visit, and put things away out of sight. Now that we are here all the time, it’s obvious there is a hoarding problem. The longer we leave it, the worse it gets.

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LoremIpsumCici · 20/01/2025 19:17

I feel your sister is a victim as well as your parents. She has learning difficulties to the point she cannot work. A predator has latched on to her and used her to access your parents - scamming them. Your sister is unable to understand or has been so gaslight she has no idea that he has scammed the money. He did it in such a sneaky way that the police couldn’t even find evidence it was a scam- so if he’s fooled the police then he has certainly done a mind fuck on your vulnerable sister.

Perhaps stop blaming your vulnerable, learning disabled sister for “betrayal” and giving your parents a hard time over this? I think they are doing the right thing by staying close and in contact with your sister and ensuring some of her things are safe- her predator would have sold and pocketed the money if she hadn’t left them with he parents for safekeeping.

I would look to trying to get him away from your sister in the long run.

LoremIpsumCici · 20/01/2025 19:19

I have seen the hoarding update. I think you might want to consider getting in help to get your parents home liveable. This is more than you can handle by yourself, hoarding parents and vulnerable sister living with a predatory man. Perhaps social services can help you tackle both?

Chingchok · 20/01/2025 19:25

That’s probably true, Whatevershallidowithmylife. I do understand that and I empathise. However they seem to be deliberately closing their eyes to it all - without going into details, they were shown pretty clear evidence that she knew. It isn’t just that she knew - she was actively complicit, she was the one making all the requests. She was mean to them and very demanding, and they just kept transferring more and more (and it wasn’t just a bit of cash, it was a lot). She denies using drugs, but her partner spent all the money on crack, which she knew he used (and supposedly used to deal). She is often extremely verbally aggressive and can be physically violent, yet they want us to believe she is sweet and loveable.

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LoremIpsumCici · 20/01/2025 19:29

The problem with a LD person is that they can be easily manipulated into doing and saying things by an abusive partner without understanding what is going on.

Chingchok · 20/01/2025 19:37

I have spoken to social services before, and they visited but my sister turned them away. It’s hard for most people to tell whether she has additional needs, and her disability allowance was removed many years ago after she failed to meet the criteria. I agree that it seems like he is a predator and I would love for him to leave, but my parents and brother believe that they can’t force her to leave him. Furthermore my parents talk about how she loves him, and treat it like some kind of a fairytale. I called police and social services at the time and explained I was afraid she was in a coercive and abusive relationship, but they found no evidence of this and my sister was very angry about it. Being so far away, there was very little I could do, and I’ve now been back only a few months. As soon as my partner and I have found a home we will leave, so it will be easier to step back, and to end conversations about it (and the expectation for us to have happy family times). I would not be so black and white about it if I didn’t have a child living here. I do have empathy, she is my sister and I took care of her for many years when we lived together; less so after moving out. But the toll this has taken on my parents’ mental health is huge, and I feel like they need to take care of themselves now,

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