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Elderly parents

Elderly, disabled, alcoholic and MH concerns

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winsomewoman · 28/11/2024 10:53

Apologies for posting on the Elderly Parents thread but I couldn't see where else might have the knowledge/ expertise I need. Sorry also for the length but I want to avoid drip-feeding.

I live in a semi-rural small village. 15 years or so ago a couple moved into a house/ smallholding about 400m from my home. He was a professor at the local university, she was horsy. They were about 10 years older than me. When they moved into the property she had young adult children (now in their 30s and with children of their own) and I understood that the professor was a relatively new introduction to the family.

We all got to know each other a bit, but they were both very heavy drinkers. I like a drink when I'm in the mood but I don't drink to get drunk and didn't enjoy their company when they were pissed. They also both smoke heavily, so I found it difficult being in their home. So for all these years we've had a friendly but distanced relationship. I've looked after their dog from time to time, they've repaid me with eggs from their chickens. The dog died a couple of years ago and I've hardly seen anything of them except to wave to in that time.

They're not married and a couple of years after moving in they converted a little barn on the property into a separate dwelling and he moved into that, leaving her living on her own. I understand that she actually owns the property outright. At some point he lost his job. She had a fall from a horse and damaged her back very badly and has struggled to walk since then. During lockdown he had a MH crisis and walked around the lanes naked, swearing at people and trying to stop cars. I'm not a member of the village gossip society, but I understand that they are widely understood to be alcoholics and I'm told that both have spent time in rehab.

Last week, for the first time in about a year, she phoned me and asked if I'd go round because she was struggling. She has never asked for anything like this before and I could tell from her voice that she was in trouble. I couldn't get to the front door because someone had put big crates of building materials and old gas bottles in the way. I had to move them before she could open the front door and let me in. The professor came over and asked me quite aggressively what I was doing and I replied that I'd come to see Pat and needed to get in. He was agitated but didn't stop me. Pat explained that he is having another major MH episode and has taken to blocking her in the house. He is receiving no MH treatment. There was more stuff piled up outside the back door, so she couldn't get out that way either. She is struggling to move around the (very cluttered, very smoky) house using a walking frame. Her back is very bad and her mobility dreadful. She's worried that he'll try to set light to the house in his manic state. Apparently he's very angry with her and has threatened her. She's tried speaking to the community police but there was no one on duty. She left a message and received a message that someone will call round to see her but there's been nothing.

The professor has taken her car keys, and so what with that and the doors being barricaded, she's been unable to get food. She asked me to go and do a shop for her. The top line of the shopping list was six bottles of vodka. The second line was 200 Marlboro cigarettes. I did the shopping and I also called the local police and reported concern at her being barricaded in the house. I also contacted the GP surgery and had a quiet word with the receptionist, asking if there was anything that could be done.

Early Monday morning Pat called me at 2.30am to say she'd fallen and couldn't get up and could I go to help her up. In the past the professor's helped her when she's fallen, but in his current state she can't call on him. I got dressed and went over there. She was very cold and in distress and also quite drunk. I managed eventually to get her up and into a chair and then into bed, made her a cup of tea and a hot water bottle and got back home at around 4am. She phoned later to thank me. On Wednesday I had a call at around 4am. She'd got up to go to the loo and had fallen. I could hear her shouting for help as I came up the drive. The professor must have heard her, because he was out in the yard and approached me as I was letting myself into the house and was quite threatening. I was unable to get her up from the floor and had to phone another neighbour to help. She came round and together we got Pat up, cleaned her up and got her into bed. We've both contacted everyone we can think of: adult social services, the GP, the police. Neither of us have had a response to indicate that anyone is getting involved. I'm dreading this becoming a regular occurrence.

I'm very worried for her welfare. The house is freezing and in a terrible state of clutter and dirt. The main source of heating is a woodburner but she doesn't seem to have any logs and anyway she's not steady enough on her feet to manage. There are empty bottles and full ashtrays everywhere.

Her children moved away once they were independent and seem to want to distance themselves. She doesn't want me to involve them.

Has anyone had a comparable experience? How did you get help?

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DoreenonTill8 · 28/11/2024 10:58

Contact social services tell them it's a vulnerable adult referral, also make sure aware of the fire risks and shed be unable to self evacuate if there was a fire.
DONT become a point of Contact to get given tasks to do!!

winsomewoman · 28/11/2024 11:00

Thanks. I'll make sure I talk to someone in the vulnerable adults section: I'm not sure who I spoke to last time. I'm trying to avoid taking on any responsibility if I possibly can, but obviously I don't want to think of her dying on the freezing floor of her home if I can help it.

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AdmittowearingCrocs · 28/11/2024 11:52

The next time she phones because she has fallen (and there will be a next time), call an ambulance as she shouldn’t be moved without being checked over in case she has broken something. If she hasn’t done any damage, they will have the correct equipment to get her back up safely. You are putting her and yourself at risk by trying to be helpful and getting her up.
It will also trigger an urgent referral to adult social services and because it comes from the ambulance services, it will have a higher priority for triage.
If she ends up in hospital, you can advise the ward matron/ nurses about the situation and you can ask them to refer her to the hospital social workers for a Care Act assessment before discharge.
If you carry on doing what you are doing, you will continue to get phone calls at all hours to help.

winsomewoman · 28/11/2024 12:04

Thank you. Yes, I think we'll have to resort to this. When I've helped her up she's already tried to get herself up and is sure she hasn't damaged herself.

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roundaboutthehillsareshining · 28/11/2024 12:12

Yes I have dealt with similar. Unfortunately you need to call 999 and keep calling 999 every time this happens. If he's threatening you when you try to get access, ask for the police, otherwise keep calling for ambulances every time she falls. Assuming you have no medical training, you may not be able to distinguish between altered consciousness due to drink or due to a medical emergency (hypoglycaemia, concussion, alcohol withdrawal, etc) and so a paramedic assessment would be more appropriate. That's not a criticism, it can be really difficult to tell if someone is drunk or having a medical crisis, especially wothout any equipment.

Police and ambulance are also able to make those referrals to the Adult Social Care team, and will do so if they're attending a situation as you've described. In my experience, Social Services were very good once the "red button" of police/ambulance involvement was pressed.

ApolloandDaphne · 28/11/2024 12:28

Definitely call 999 if she falls again. Paramedics seeing the state of her house might be able to prompt other supports for her.

winsomewoman · 29/11/2024 10:47

Thanks everyone. It can be 10 hours or more before an ambulance comes out to someone who isn't having a heart attack or bleeding to death around here: really not sure how I could manage that long a wait with her.

She called me yesterday morning while I was on a training day. She didn't leave a message. I sent her a text at lunchtime explaining my situation but have heard nothing.

I should probably have gone round to check on her last night, but my train was delayed for hours because of a power cut and it was nearly 9pm before I eventually got home. I was freezing and hungry and in no fit state to deal with anything.

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StrongandNorthern · 29/11/2024 13:15

You sound so kind.
Well done for everything you've done so far.
It sounds like a pretty volatile and unpredictable situation and you could be putting yourself in danger (from 'The Professor ', and the dangerous sounding state of the house).
So, I agree with other posters ... a 999 call asap (have you heard from her since yesterday morning? ... If no ... Then call now ... If yes, and she's 'OK'/(she's not, but ...) then next time she falls/needs your help.
Please do this so that paramedics can trigger the process needed (and they will).
Sorry if this is poorly written but I just feel/fear for you, and her so much.
You've been heroic so far, you really have ... but please let other people help now ... It's too much for one person.
Good Luck.

Womblewife · 29/11/2024 13:20

You can’t keep being the point of contact, the authorities need to see what state they are in and what is going on with the professor. 999 police and ambulance - saying you can’t get to her because he is threatening you.

Scutterbug · 29/11/2024 13:22

I would call your local crisis team and say that the professor needs a mental health assessment. Or call an ambulance for him. He needs MH help.

serene12 · 29/11/2024 14:02

I wonder where their adult children are? Are they aware of their parents issues? Often when there are serious addiction issues in families, loved ones make the decision to detach with love to protect their own wellbeing. Otherwise they get in an endless cycle of enabling and rescuing their addictive loved ones.

winsomewoman · 29/11/2024 16:02

serene12 · 29/11/2024 14:02

I wonder where their adult children are? Are they aware of their parents issues? Often when there are serious addiction issues in families, loved ones make the decision to detach with love to protect their own wellbeing. Otherwise they get in an endless cycle of enabling and rescuing their addictive loved ones.

As far as I'm aware, they don't have children together. All the children are hers. I understand that the children are close to their father but have put some distance between themselves and their mother. Her oldest son does still have some contact but lives 3-4 hours away and she is adamant that he shouldn't be involved.

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winsomewoman · 29/11/2024 19:10

Coming home from work this evening I saw a police car there. No idea what's going on. I didn't stop. Fingers crossed that no one's been hurt. Not sure whether to contact her and find out if things are okay. Very hypocritical of me, I know, but I want someone else to sort out it.

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StrongandNorthern · 29/11/2024 19:28

Hoping nothing too serious.
Don't feel guilty ... hopefully there can be some resolution now.

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