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Elderly parents

So bloody exhausted waiting for someone to die 4

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StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 25/11/2024 10:14

continuing from our last thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/elderly_parents/5036546-so-bloody-exhausted-waiting-for-someone-to-die-3?page=40&reply=140073671

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Tara336 · 04/02/2025 15:34

@Guineapiggiesmalls thankyou, I seem.to be the one holding everyone else together. My DF has never been a good father and there are so many emotions I've been.slowly working through. I definitely do bury my head in the sand sometimes or act very matter of fact but when I see another change (not the imaginary ones DM sees) it feels like another step towards the end (and relief).but also another step towards not having a chance for DF to just once say I'm sorry

AgitatedGoose · 04/02/2025 23:10

Today my Dad was admitted to hospital after having a stroke at home. I’m feeling absolutely exhausted as this is the second time in two weeks I’ve had to drop everything at work and drive over. It’s a 3-4 hour drive each way. I’ve no annual leave left so am taking unpaid leave from work and really can’t afford this. I doubt if he’ll be able to live independently at home but can imagine the hospital won’t keep him for long and will expect me to step up. Any advice welcome please.

Guineapiggiesmalls · 04/02/2025 23:40

AgitatedGoose · 04/02/2025 23:10

Today my Dad was admitted to hospital after having a stroke at home. I’m feeling absolutely exhausted as this is the second time in two weeks I’ve had to drop everything at work and drive over. It’s a 3-4 hour drive each way. I’ve no annual leave left so am taking unpaid leave from work and really can’t afford this. I doubt if he’ll be able to live independently at home but can imagine the hospital won’t keep him for long and will expect me to step up. Any advice welcome please.

I was in a similar position with my mum.

Make sure the hospital know he lives alone and you are not able to support due to distance/job. Say it is an unsafe discharge. An occupational therapist will do a review of what aids/care package he needs, and I would advise keeping him in hospital until this is in place. It may mean he bed blocks for a time, but once he leaves you are straight to the bottom of the queue as it’s no longer urgent.

Do you plan to move him in with you? If not, I’d look into care homes.

I’m sorry if this seems blunt, but when it happened to me two months ago I took my mum home, it took a further month for a single day carer visit to materialise, and me and my aunts were splitting her 24/7 between us which has been an enormous toll.

EmotionalBlackmail · 05/02/2025 09:36

AgitatedGoose · 04/02/2025 23:10

Today my Dad was admitted to hospital after having a stroke at home. I’m feeling absolutely exhausted as this is the second time in two weeks I’ve had to drop everything at work and drive over. It’s a 3-4 hour drive each way. I’ve no annual leave left so am taking unpaid leave from work and really can’t afford this. I doubt if he’ll be able to live independently at home but can imagine the hospital won’t keep him for long and will expect me to step up. Any advice welcome please.

Don't go. Seriously, you're at a distance and getting yourself into financial insecurity by going.

If you physically couldn't go (illness, broken leg, car off the road) then they'd have to manage at the hospital.

I couldn't go for mine one time with an emergency hospital admission as I was unable to drive temporarily. It was an interesting lesson in what happened if a daughter didn't miraculously appear. The hospital staff had to deal with it.

EmotionalBlackmail · 05/02/2025 09:41

And if you're already there, make sure he's got clean clothes and toiletries, tell the staff you can't take any more leave from work and won't be available to provide care, then go home and go back to work.

If they need to discuss anything with you they can do it over the phone or Zoom.

DancingFerret · 05/02/2025 09:55

AgitatedGoose · 04/02/2025 23:10

Today my Dad was admitted to hospital after having a stroke at home. I’m feeling absolutely exhausted as this is the second time in two weeks I’ve had to drop everything at work and drive over. It’s a 3-4 hour drive each way. I’ve no annual leave left so am taking unpaid leave from work and really can’t afford this. I doubt if he’ll be able to live independently at home but can imagine the hospital won’t keep him for long and will expect me to step up. Any advice welcome please.

Unsafe discharge - tell me about it. Our elderly relative (88 years) lives/lived alone with worsening heart failure and a steady decline in mobility until he had an event and was admitted to hospital just after Christmas. In hospital he contracted flu and also became even more confused than he had been at home.

Despite raising concerns with the doctors about his physical and mental state, he was discharged last Friday with a care package (nurse visits three times a day and a zimmer frame) and sent home in an ambulance. On Saturday a neighbour who went in to check on him found him on the floor, unable to get up. He'd fallen and broken his hip. They operated on his hip on Monday, but his condition has worsened. He was put on a syringe driver yesterday and we have been told it could be "hours or days".

I'm just so mad! We didn't expect him to live forever, but were hoping he'd have a peaceful end, not all the trauma of last weekend. A&E is bad enough at the best of times; I can't imagine what he must have gone through on a Saturday night in a city hospital - and it was just so unnecessary.

Please make sure the medics don't discharge your Dad without proper ongoing care in place. I wouldn't wish our experience on my worst enemy.

DancingFerret · 05/02/2025 10:00

Sorry, I didn't answer your question. What care that be put in place for your Dad will depend on many variables, including his ability to pay for a care home. However, if he needs nursing care you should explore Continuing Healthcare. Link below:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/social-care-and-support-guide/money-work-and-benefits/nhs-continuing-healthcare/

nhs.uk

NHS continuing healthcare - Social care and support guide

Find out about NHS funding for social care for people with long-term complex health needs.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/social-care-and-support-guide/money-work-and-benefits/nhs-continuing-healthcare

CaveMum · 05/02/2025 10:54

@DancingFerret I’m sorry to hear about your relative.

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 05/02/2025 13:06

Hi everyone I just popped in to say goodbye, along with other users I've decided to deregister from Mumsnet because of the new policies on tracking.
all the best to us all and our families xx

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nodramamama · 05/02/2025 13:08

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 05/02/2025 13:06

Hi everyone I just popped in to say goodbye, along with other users I've decided to deregister from Mumsnet because of the new policies on tracking.
all the best to us all and our families xx

Hi all, I use mumsnet for this thread only really, so not familiar with the tracking - assume this relates to privacy/cookies?

DrBlackbird · 05/02/2025 16:02

StiffyByngsDogBartholomew · 05/02/2025 13:06

Hi everyone I just popped in to say goodbye, along with other users I've decided to deregister from Mumsnet because of the new policies on tracking.
all the best to us all and our families xx

What is this new policy?

DrBlackbird · 05/02/2025 16:07

EmotionalBlackmail · 05/02/2025 09:36

Don't go. Seriously, you're at a distance and getting yourself into financial insecurity by going.

If you physically couldn't go (illness, broken leg, car off the road) then they'd have to manage at the hospital.

I couldn't go for mine one time with an emergency hospital admission as I was unable to drive temporarily. It was an interesting lesson in what happened if a daughter didn't miraculously appear. The hospital staff had to deal with it.

A friend just said that she was not taking elderly DF home with suspected broken hip when hospital said they were discharging him. Just said ‘no’ as she knew they were trying to free up his bed without actually determining what was wrong. Made me realise that you could just say no even to a hospital. But we are all very conditioned not to challenge experts.

ajandjjmum · 05/02/2025 16:11

An elderly family friend was admitted to hospital whilst DH and I were away, having suffered a couple of seizures. DD stepped up and acted as his NOK and wouldn't agree to him being discharged to live by himself, until a care package was in place. He was desperate to get home, and the nursing staff kept telling him that 'DD' wouldn't let him go home. Two months later, he still remembers this, and holds it against her. Difficult and unfair. It's his illness but can be so hurtful.

AgitatedGoose · 05/02/2025 20:13

Thank you to everyone who replied to my post. I’ve made it very clear to the hospital that my Dad lives alone and I’m not in a position to care for him. He won’t be coming to live with me as I don’t have the space and the house is totally unsuitable. I will be returning home in a couple of days. My Dad is quite disabled from the stroke and can’t even sit up unaided.

AgitatedGoose · 05/02/2025 20:15

@StiffyByngsDogBartholomew Please reconsider and stay. This thread has been a life saver for me and no doubt many others.

Guineapiggiesmalls · 05/02/2025 20:59

ajandjjmum · 05/02/2025 16:11

An elderly family friend was admitted to hospital whilst DH and I were away, having suffered a couple of seizures. DD stepped up and acted as his NOK and wouldn't agree to him being discharged to live by himself, until a care package was in place. He was desperate to get home, and the nursing staff kept telling him that 'DD' wouldn't let him go home. Two months later, he still remembers this, and holds it against her. Difficult and unfair. It's his illness but can be so hurtful.

This makes me so sad. Your poor daughter. When I requested a care assessment before my mum was discharged, she was devastated at being kept in but the kindly nurse took the blame which helped hugely.

Kettricken · 07/02/2025 09:02

I’ve posted a couple of times here about my father in law, just popping back to say he died last Thursday. Although I didn’t post much reading everyone else’s experiences and being able to vent a little has been very helpful. I wish that end of life meds had been prescribed earlier for him though. He was put on the gold standard framework before Christmas but meds to make him comfortable at the end were only prescribed 5 hours before he passed and then I had to go to 2 pharmacies to get everything he needed. It should all have happened much sooner. Best wishes to all of you still on this path.

PermanentTemporary · 07/02/2025 09:15

Best wishes @Kettricken and I'm so sorry to hear the palliative care was poor. I hope you are healing OK.

nodramamama · 07/02/2025 12:43

So sorry @Kettricken that it was not smoother for you and your father in law, it's so difficult and my thoughts are with you.

TomatoPotato · 07/02/2025 16:44

Condolences @Kettricken

CaveMum · 07/02/2025 16:48

Sorry for your loss @Kettricken

Guineapiggiesmalls · 07/02/2025 17:13

@Kettricken I’m sorry for your loss, and also for the unnecessary stress at the end ❤️

AgitatedGoose · 07/02/2025 17:46

So sorry @Kettricken and for the poor care your father in law received at the end. This really shouldn’t have happened.

Bouledeneige · 09/02/2025 09:16

Oh gosh. Sorry for all the suffering. My DF 95 nearly died at Christmas but he rallied though is still entirely bed bound in his care home. He's been delusional for since his illness but yesterday was fairly lucid in between some nonsense.

He just called me and told me he's been kidnapped on the way back from the airport and is in a building opposite Madame Tussaud's in Baker Street. He was distressed and I couldn't comfort him that he's in the same place, his care home, where I saw him yesterday.

I've called the care team so they can go to reassure him. Poor him - it's so awful to live so long, to have such poor quality of life and be so confused and scared.

MrsFunnyFanny · 09/02/2025 09:28

I’m so glad to have found this place.
My elderly mother is a life-long chronic alcoholic and heavy smoker. Her addictions have always come before everything else in her life, including her children.
She has lived alone for many years, though 4 years ago, I had to move her from a huge and sprawling first floor apartment into a tiny bungalow, as her mobility was declining and she was becoming incontinent.
I have been caring for her in her home ever since, doing all her shopping, cleaning, bathing her etc. She always refused outside help and sent social services away when I tried to arrange something.
in recent times, her quality of life has been very poor. She couldn’t walk unaided, but for some reason would refuse to use the zimmer frame I bought her, and would sometimes bum-shuffle on the floor instead - other times she would surf along the furniture and walls.
Ten days ago, I found her collapsed on her kitchen floor at 4pm. I had left her happily heating her dinner the night before at around 7pm - she liked to do this, and would sit and eat quite well. When I walked in, I realised very quickly that she’d had a stroke, and horrifically that it must have happened shortly after I left the night before, as the dinner was still on the side, and the oven was still on. I would normally go round for my first visit of the day in the morning, but typically our boiler had broken down and I had to wait for workmen to arrive (we’d had no heating for two weeks at zero degrees outside). She’d been on her cold kitchen floor for over 20 hours - how she was still alive I don’t know.
I went with her to A&E in the ambulance. Her treatment there was diabolical - she was left naked from the waist down, very agitated, and lying in her own urine. She was left on a trolley in a public area like this for 4.5 hours, and wasn’t given any medication or even fluids, despite me telling them how she’d been found and how dehydrated she must be.
Eventually she was moved to the stroke ward. She has had a massive stroke, and it’s left her extremely disabled and extremely ill. She has lost all use of her right arm and leg, and her speech is extremely limited. She sleeps most of the time. After a week on the acute stroke ward, the consultant said she should be moved straight to a nursing home, as she wasn’t responding to therapies and he didn’t believe she could even understand what people were saying.
She has a catheter, had an NG tube and was on oxygen, but none of these things count towards NHS continuing care (and funding), so I was told it would all be at her own expense. She owns the tiny bungalow outright, but has next to no money, and absolutely no other assets.
i had tried to talk to her about this, about LPA, and making a will many times, but she wouldn’t entertain it, and thought I was after her money, or was trying to put her in a home. She used to beg me to never put her in a home, and said she would kill herself if I ever tried.
There was a last minute change in decision when she clearly started understanding and responding (but only to me). It’s like she just can’t be arsed to speak to any of these strangers, but when I arrive, she can say some single words, and has demonstrated that she understands what I’m saying.
So…they moved her to a stroke rehab unit, which is a farce quite honestly, as she is barely awake, had made absolutely no physical progress, and has vocalised that she wants to die.
After much persuasion, we actually filled in all the LPA stuff online (both H&W and Finance/Property) and sent the signed forms off just before this happened, but they haven’t been registered as yet - this can take 8-10 weeks. We have agreed a DNR order, but so far they have actively treated a chest infection with IV antibiotics, they’ve given her medical withdrawal from the alcohol, and they insisted on feeding her via an NG tube, even though she kept ripping it out. They replaced it 3 times and bound her hands in mittens to try to stop her. Eventually, I managed to drag the SALT into her cubicle while she was actually awake and trying to communicate. I said “mum, you know you have this tube up your nose - do you understand what it’s for?”. She said “food”. I asked “do you like having the tube” and she shouted noooo. I said if it comes out again mum, do you want them to put it back in, or do you want them to leave it out? She said “no tube” very clearly. I made the SALT write that down and they put it on her notes. The SALT then went on to explain feeding at risk and mum agreed to it.
Then we moved to this rehab unit. Day one, they gave her a mousse and some thickened liquid. The HCA told me she’d “encouraged” mum by telling her that if she doesn’t eat it, they’d have to put the tube back in. FFS, I had to explain what had been agreed and asked that they all familiarise themselves with mum’s case. I instructed that under no circumstances is she to have another NG tube as she gave a clear instruction to medical staff when they determined that she had capacity to do so.
So here we are. Mum sleeps most of the day, responds very little, has absolutely no physical strength and no chance of being able to use her frail body again. She can’t sit, or even adjust her own position in bed without help. She is catheterised, and is just alive, breathing, but barely existing in this stoke unit.
when she does open her eyes, she mouths “help me” or “want home”. She doesn’t seem to register that home is not and never will be an option as she’s far too ill and far too disabled.
My family and I just want her to pass away either way what tiny bit of dignity she has left, and she keeps saying “die”. Yet because of the laws we have, they are practically force feeding her mush to keep her “alive”. It’s not living though, and never will be.
Every day I look at her and wonder if it’s going to be her last day, but she’s still here. Not improving, with no chance of ever living any kind of life again, but alive.
I’m in this state of purgatory, waiting for the LPA to come through, so I can start to make some sensible decisions in line with her wishes. In the meantime I have to sit and watch her suffer day in, day out, while being spoon fed slop. Even her sippy cup of water has been thickened to the texture of glue.
I can’t imagine she’ll be allowed to stay in the rehab unit long, as she’s making absolutely no progress.
If they kick her out, I think I will have to bring her here to my home and look after her here until she dies. I don’t know how this works but obviously we would need a hospital bed etc. What about the catheter? I don’t mind caring for her, but I draw the line at that.
My head is absolutely pickled with it all, but it’s helped to read about other people’s experiences.