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Elderly parents

Should I be an unwanted visitor?

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Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 30/06/2024 18:02

I've been lurking here a bit recently and am looking for some perspective. My Dad lives alone about 40 mins away and is early 80s. He was extremely fit and healthy until a serious health issue 2 years ago. He is incredibly independent and has certain duties with a local charity that keeps him busy but he had to slow down a lot. He has a partner / girlfriend but they don't live together, and he has a lovely social circle through her. Our relationship is tricky, he never shows interest in me and I get very frustrated over it, it's very much polite small talk.

Long story short, I feel guilty that I don't visit more but he doesn't want me to. I call to him maybe once every 3 weeks but its always awkward. For example i phoned him today saying I could call this eve or tomorrow. He went on about all the things he has to do and said to leave it til after Wednesday. These jobs were bullshit, I have to go to the GP, water plants etc. He always does this and fobs me off and I admit I am half glad I can get on with my life. The issue is his partner has other family commitments recently and is away a lot. Last time she was away she asked me to keep and eye on him as she worries but he shooed me away. I have a sibling abroad who worries and I believe is unhappy with me for not doing more, but they have a much closer relationship to him. I also have an aunt who often asks me how he is and when i last saw him and i feel there is judgement there.

Today I said to Dh that he didn't want me to come and Dh said his partner must think you are awful you didn't even call in when she was away. This pissed me off and I got defensive but maybe he is right. He says I should call down whether I am wanted or not and not to care what Dad says. We don't have that kind of open door relationship and I don't know what way to approach this. Any words of wisdom much appreciated.

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Mouswife · 30/06/2024 18:05

Pop along and see how it goes. He may not want to intrude on your busy life, but you can see what reception you get

Barney16 · 30/06/2024 19:35

I would go and see him. Then.as previous poster says.you can see what happens when you just turn up. He may not want to impose on you or just prefers his own routine etc but he isn't getting any younger and at least if you go you know you tried.

ChateauMargaux · 30/06/2024 20:53

I think they key to this is in your words 'Our relationship is tricky, he never shows interest in me and I get very frustrated over it, it's very much polite small talk.'

Can you make peace with the fact that you and your father do not have a close relationship? Do what feels good and right for you...

Pop in.. say... Hi Dad.. I know you are busy so I brought you some xxx.. I won't stay if you have things to do.. Name of partner asked me to check in and it's nice to see you.

When Auntie X calls... say.. I do see him, but he is not that keen on my company.. it's not easy if I am honest. Would you like to come and see him? You could stay with me and we could go together..

Be honest with your sibling.. to be honest, I find it difficult that Dad has never showed any interest in my life and when I suggest I would like to see him, he puts me off. It's pretty hurtful really.

Tracker1234 · 02/07/2024 14:26

Ah - the sibling from abroad stating what they think YOU should be doing.. I had one of them and told them to get stuff to be honest. I was doing everything - running 3 households (mine, divorced Mum and divorced Dad) and I certainly didnt need a lazy sibling to nit pick over things. They washed their hands of them over Covid and claimed it wasnt the right time to come etc etc

TwoThousandAcresofBlueSkyThinking · 02/07/2024 14:36

Long story short, I feel guilty that I don't visit more but he doesn't want me to.

It's the other people judging you that's making you feel guilty? For doing what your father actually wants? I would just tell them, next time they say something, that you're listening to what he's telling you and going along with his wishes.

Yes, call every so often just to check in, and be prepared to step up if needs be, but don't become what he might view as a nuisance and put yourself through something neither of you want.

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 02/07/2024 14:58

Thanks so much for the replies. Yes @TwoThousandAcresofBlueSkyThinking it's my fear of judgement that's bothering me most, more than guilt about my Dad. I need to get over that.

@ChateauMargaux Can you make peace with the fact that you and your father do not have a close relationship? This is definitely part of the issue, I come away from meeting him feeling upset and relieved I'm off the hook for another few weeks. I find it quite torturous. He goes on and on about what he wants to say, repeatedly. Never asks about me and when i tell him my news he pauses and goes back to his monologue. I know this is typical of his age but he was always like this so I've a low tolerance. But I need to now see it as part of having an elderly parent and just suck it up.

Thanks all for the replies and support. I'll call in tomorrow.

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CreakyDormouse · 04/07/2024 17:55

I would take him at his word, quite honestly. I know it's painful 💐

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 04/07/2024 22:14

I decided to call today as I was off but having thought it through more, I know anyone calling in without notice really really stresses him so I phoned last night. I said I was in the area (not true) so would pop in between this time and that. I didn't ask, I told him. Long silence and he eventually said 'would you mind leaving it til next week?'. Long story about roadworks and parking being too tricky (BS as I could park around the corner) and he was going to be so busy weeding the pots at the charity place etc. I just couldn't go after that and upset him. So I'm calling in next week and I'm going to phone more often. More importantly I'm meeting my aunt soon and will tell her straight up that he avoids my visits sometimes. I've also casually mentioned to sibling in a voice note that I've been onto him and he said no visitors this week. So I'm not feeling guilty any more, at least for now!

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PermanentTemporary · 05/07/2024 05:17

I think you did well there. Tbh I think your dh needs to support you, not make tou feel worse. Can you have a conversation with your dh about it? Ask him why he thinks you should override your dad's clear wishes?

Doing a classic MN here but your dad does sound possibly neurodiverse. Would reading up on being the child of an ND parent perhaps help you decide how to tackle things? Not that I think you should talk about him to your subling or aunt in those terms, but it might help you rethink your relationship.

I'm perhaps lucky that all 3 of us had a strained relationship with my dad. My sister did decide in his later years to rebuild her connection with him but never told us to do the same, bless her. Encourage your sibling to spend more time with him if they're feeling that he needs that.

Katrinawaves · 05/07/2024 05:59

I’d leave it to be honest. He has mental capacity and has told you in clear terms he does not want to see you at this level of frequency. Whilst he has some health issues, he’s not housebound and his social circle would notice if he suddenly dropped out of sight.

Just because you are a blood relative doesn’t give you the right to force yourself into his home/life if he doesn’t want that level of relationship with you. And you don’t really want it yourself either and live an 80 minute round trip away.

If you reversed the situation, and a relative you didn’t like was dropping into your house every couple of weeks, you’d probably feel at the least exasperated and at worst miserable and hounded by it.

If you step back and give him the space he wants, you can probably get to a point where you see him 2 or 3 times a year which might be within both of your comfort zones. If your sibling thinks that’s not enough, they can choose to move back home to be closer to him or at least make more regular visits themselves - they don’t get to override your and your father’s preferences just to alleviate their own abandonment issues.

CreakyDormouse · 05/07/2024 07:05

Although I think the above post is a bit blunt, they're not wrong and you can use it for the people who think you're neglecting him.
I'd recommend doing some work on coming to terms with the lack of relationship with him as that must be quite painful for you.

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Elsewhere123 · 05/07/2024 07:13

When your sibling ,aunt etc ask about your dad, ask them to ask him (the next time they ring him) why he doesn't want to see you. Ask them to let you know what he says.

Craftycorvid · 05/07/2024 07:23

This is pure guess-work, as obviously I don’t know what the relationship with your dad was like when you were a child, but it’s possible he’s not pushing you away but pushing away his feelings of guilt and shame about how he’s been as a father. For you, visiting someone who seems reluctant to engage with you will repeat an injury - when your parent doesn’t seem to care. I notice he doesn’t live with his partner and your sibling lives some distance away. In other words, the family dynamic might be to avoid too much contact, which is hard on the family members who don’t want to repeat that theme.

Meadowfinch · 05/07/2024 07:30

I'd pop in while you are passing. Take him something as an excuse - a book you think he might like or something - see that he's ok, and make your excuses.

LindorDoubleChoc · 05/07/2024 07:42

Gosh, he sounds unpleasant. You are suffering from a heavy dose of FOG. You can detatch from a parent even if they are very old you know. I know it's painful, but it can be done.

What on earth is your DH playing at?

LindorDoubleChoc · 05/07/2024 07:44

Elsewhere123 · 05/07/2024 07:13

When your sibling ,aunt etc ask about your dad, ask them to ask him (the next time they ring him) why he doesn't want to see you. Ask them to let you know what he says.

Excellent advice. Or just say "he never wants to see me, I won't keep trying forever".

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 24/07/2024 19:50

Thanks all, I forgot to update these past few weeks. Yes @LindorDoubleChoc it is FOG, fear obligation and guilty (as opposed to fats, oils and grease which came up when I googled it!).

I am very annoyed with DH, because I am a terrible people pleaser and cannot cope with people not liking me, its so silly and childish but its the way I am. He should know that a throwaway comment about someone maybe bitching about me is enough to put me into a tailspin. I am still annoyed with him, but the truth is I already had that worry. Dad's girlfriend has never been to my house for over a decade. I have invited her several times through him and he always declines, saying she has plans or whatever and I'm pretty sure he doesn't pass the messages on. She has only met my kids a few times yet she often buys little appropriate gifts for them and leaves them with my Dad. She never had kids of her own and I think there is a part of her that would love to be a stepgrandmother but he isn't letting her in. I've often been tempted to invite her to something directly but I think that would be really inappropriate, I'd be furious if roles were reversed.

I caught up with my aunt and said how I was feeling etc and funnily enough she has had the same experience with him. She said she phoned for a chat the other day and he made up some lame excuse to get rid of her, she said she knows what he is like! Its funny the judgment there seems to have been entirely in my head. I'm glad we had that frank discussion.

@PermanentTemporary yes its a MN cliche but I think you struck the nail on the head about neurodiversity. I had a lightbulb moment a few years ago relating to this. Because he is in his 80s, a lot of behaviours are typical of an elderly man living alone. However my memory of my Dad as a younger man is what we would call ND these days, I'd say high functioning autism. People describe him as quirky, eccentric, odd etc. Looking back I think he found living with a wife and kids really difficult, his way of coping was to bow out of family life. Not that thats ok, it just explains it.

He also is subtle as a brick and very much prefers my sibling. He isn't critical of me or anything, just prefers them. He did the same with my kids, he never liked one of them and fawns all over the other, even buying a present for one and not the other. Kids aren't stupid, my eldest said from a young age that he knew Grandad didn't really like him much. This is something I found quite unforgiveable and still struggle with.

I've been to see him a few times recently and tried to be helpful in practical ways, offering a lift somewhere or bringing down a few dinners. I think this works better to touch base rather than a visit. The last visit I stood in the kitchen in front of the cooker for 40 minutes and could almost sense his relief when it was time to go. I've also decided I won't ever 'pop in' without notice but I might be a bit more pushy on when I will call, and just keep it frequent and brief. And i need to make peace with the fact that he doesn't really like my company!

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