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NC mother and my almost grown up kids

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Currentquandry · 31/05/2024 16:47

I will try and keep this concise but apologies if I fail! I've found this topic so incredibly helpful so I am hoping the collective wisdom here can help steer me through a challenging situation.

My mother and stepfather (who is now dead) were active alcoholics throughout my childhood and teenage years. Before my mother met and married my stepfather, I often took a parent role with my mother. From around six/seven years old, I took on a lot of responsibility for my own care and helped her when she was very drunk and unable to cope (helping her take out her contact lenses for instance and preparing my own lunches for school). My stepfather was also an alcoholic and though a gentle and generous person, I discovered he was deeply dysfunctional when I hit my teen years and he became a peeping tom when I was undressing/dressing. Obviously this was distressing but it was also hard to prove (he'd peep through cracks in my door and then shoot into the bathroom next to my room where he left the tap running as an excuse to be there). I felt a weird sense of relief when I caught him and he eventually admitted it. I eventually told my mother but she felt unable to leave him -- I think she was terrified of losing the security she had got for us. I understood at the time, or thought I did, but once I had my own children, I struggled with her decision not to protect me. However, at the time I recognised that other people had gone through much worse and that he never physically abused me. (There were also problems with my father and stepmother but these aren't relevant to this thread so I will spare everyone that bit!)

My mother ticks almost every box on the narcissist personality disorder list. It is only recently (I'm now in my 50s) that I realised that much of my personality has been heavily informed by being the child of a narcissist (parentification/enmeshment etc.) and the child of an alcoholic (people pleasing/fawning etc.). And I just thought I had a bit of a pushover personality :)

I've tried for decades to establish a healthy, positive relationship with my mother despite her following a regular cycle of using me as an emotional punchbag and alternating controlling and criticising behaviours with a form of love bombing. I kept empathising with her because she is so obviously deeply unhappy and she had an unhappy childhood herself. She has lost nearly all her friends with her behaviour, her family is overseas (and she falls out with them too!) and so I am all she has (no siblings). It's always been clear that I am her focus and she has often said I am her reason for being (as well as saying how different her life would have been if I had been her mother). I felt that it would be cruel to withdraw from her even though she has become increasingly difficult. The decision to keep trying to make the situation work was made even more difficult when she minimised what my stepfather did during a row and showed that she really didn't see it as a big deal. But recently I realised that her behaviour was also starting to affect my daughter (who has MH issues of her own) and that was my line in the sand. After an interaction with my daughter that left her upset and anxious, I realised that I was in danger of letting my mother damage another generation and my own loving nuclear family which I have worked so hard to create and make happy. My long-suffering husband has struggled to see me hurt by my mother's behaviour over the years though he is always supportive. I have realised that he has often fallen down my priority list in favour of trying to keep my mother happy and I hate myself for that. Two months ago, when I realised that my mother had trampled over some boundaries I set up for my daughter I decided that that was enough and stopped communicating with her. My husband was completely supportive and my daughter relieved (she finds her VERY hard). The situation is also difficult because we look after a property of my mother's, I order all her medication (which we continue to do) and she has been contributing to my son and daughter for uni etc (we expect to be cut off soon).

But getting to the point (finally!) the advice I need concerns my son. He is nearly 18 and has an okay relationship with my mother. He's fairly oblivious to what has gone on and I only recently told him about her drinking (she stopped for good maybe last summer). He doesn't know about my childhood and my daughter (who is a bit older) only knows some of it -- neither of them know about my stepfather for instance. My son commented the other day that we hadn't seen my mother for a while and my husband told him that we'd fallen out and said she had been difficult. My son finds it difficult to express his emotions so this will be difficult for him to manage. He's not yet mastered reading the room in terms of how people are feeling though he can be observant and kind.

I don't know what is appropriate to do here. I don't want to taint my son's relationship with my mother if he wants to see her -- but equally think she may try and use him to make comments/turn him against us (she has form for this). I don't want to upset him by sharing too much but also feel he is probably old enough to handle the idea that adults can have difficult relationships.

The whole thing is complicated by my daughter's struggles and the fact that my husband is also a little fragile (he had a breakdown some years ago and so relates to our daughter's struggles painfully well).

I want to do the right thing by everyone but also know that I can't go back to the way it was with my mother before even if we do re-establish contact at some point. I was giving her so much time (despite being the primary earner for the family so I was already time poor) and know that my priority really needs to be my daughter and the rest of my family. I'm also struggling not to feel overwhelmed by the emotional impact of all the different elements.

I've probably put too much in here and sorry if it's all a bit garbled.

So the TLDR version would be: if you have gone NC with a parent, how did you handle the relationship of the parent with your children if they were older teens? How much did you share? Did you encourage them to continue the relationship or not?

Thank you and sorry for the lengthy post -- I didn't do very well on keeping it down I realise!

OP posts:
Currentquandry · 05/06/2024 17:50

Thank you @keffie12 I've ordered the book. It looks really helpful... Thank you again for being so lovely and such a supportive presence on the thread. Really appreciated.

OP posts:
Currentquandry · 05/06/2024 17:55

@redskydarknight Thank you so much for that. I had heard of them but didn't know what they were like. Your recommendation is the push I needed to go and check them out. I hope you have managed to break away successfully and without too much pain. Thanks again.

OP posts:
keffie12 · 06/06/2024 00:02

Currentquandry · 05/06/2024 17:50

Thank you @keffie12 I've ordered the book. It looks really helpful... Thank you again for being so lovely and such a supportive presence on the thread. Really appreciated.

You're welcome. John Bradshaw was in a few 12-step programs as a sober alcoholic and Al-Anon/ACAADF, too, as like a lot of us, he had membership to more than one 12-step fellowship.

You need to read it in bitesize junks. There are exercises in their to-do. Take your time.

The emotional link family tree blew my world apart, as I knew it to do in the book. It set me free. Let us know how you're getting on with occasionally or more updates, please

Kelwar · 26/10/2024 08:13

Currentquandry · 31/05/2024 16:47

I will try and keep this concise but apologies if I fail! I've found this topic so incredibly helpful so I am hoping the collective wisdom here can help steer me through a challenging situation.

My mother and stepfather (who is now dead) were active alcoholics throughout my childhood and teenage years. Before my mother met and married my stepfather, I often took a parent role with my mother. From around six/seven years old, I took on a lot of responsibility for my own care and helped her when she was very drunk and unable to cope (helping her take out her contact lenses for instance and preparing my own lunches for school). My stepfather was also an alcoholic and though a gentle and generous person, I discovered he was deeply dysfunctional when I hit my teen years and he became a peeping tom when I was undressing/dressing. Obviously this was distressing but it was also hard to prove (he'd peep through cracks in my door and then shoot into the bathroom next to my room where he left the tap running as an excuse to be there). I felt a weird sense of relief when I caught him and he eventually admitted it. I eventually told my mother but she felt unable to leave him -- I think she was terrified of losing the security she had got for us. I understood at the time, or thought I did, but once I had my own children, I struggled with her decision not to protect me. However, at the time I recognised that other people had gone through much worse and that he never physically abused me. (There were also problems with my father and stepmother but these aren't relevant to this thread so I will spare everyone that bit!)

My mother ticks almost every box on the narcissist personality disorder list. It is only recently (I'm now in my 50s) that I realised that much of my personality has been heavily informed by being the child of a narcissist (parentification/enmeshment etc.) and the child of an alcoholic (people pleasing/fawning etc.). And I just thought I had a bit of a pushover personality :)

I've tried for decades to establish a healthy, positive relationship with my mother despite her following a regular cycle of using me as an emotional punchbag and alternating controlling and criticising behaviours with a form of love bombing. I kept empathising with her because she is so obviously deeply unhappy and she had an unhappy childhood herself. She has lost nearly all her friends with her behaviour, her family is overseas (and she falls out with them too!) and so I am all she has (no siblings). It's always been clear that I am her focus and she has often said I am her reason for being (as well as saying how different her life would have been if I had been her mother). I felt that it would be cruel to withdraw from her even though she has become increasingly difficult. The decision to keep trying to make the situation work was made even more difficult when she minimised what my stepfather did during a row and showed that she really didn't see it as a big deal. But recently I realised that her behaviour was also starting to affect my daughter (who has MH issues of her own) and that was my line in the sand. After an interaction with my daughter that left her upset and anxious, I realised that I was in danger of letting my mother damage another generation and my own loving nuclear family which I have worked so hard to create and make happy. My long-suffering husband has struggled to see me hurt by my mother's behaviour over the years though he is always supportive. I have realised that he has often fallen down my priority list in favour of trying to keep my mother happy and I hate myself for that. Two months ago, when I realised that my mother had trampled over some boundaries I set up for my daughter I decided that that was enough and stopped communicating with her. My husband was completely supportive and my daughter relieved (she finds her VERY hard). The situation is also difficult because we look after a property of my mother's, I order all her medication (which we continue to do) and she has been contributing to my son and daughter for uni etc (we expect to be cut off soon).

But getting to the point (finally!) the advice I need concerns my son. He is nearly 18 and has an okay relationship with my mother. He's fairly oblivious to what has gone on and I only recently told him about her drinking (she stopped for good maybe last summer). He doesn't know about my childhood and my daughter (who is a bit older) only knows some of it -- neither of them know about my stepfather for instance. My son commented the other day that we hadn't seen my mother for a while and my husband told him that we'd fallen out and said she had been difficult. My son finds it difficult to express his emotions so this will be difficult for him to manage. He's not yet mastered reading the room in terms of how people are feeling though he can be observant and kind.

I don't know what is appropriate to do here. I don't want to taint my son's relationship with my mother if he wants to see her -- but equally think she may try and use him to make comments/turn him against us (she has form for this). I don't want to upset him by sharing too much but also feel he is probably old enough to handle the idea that adults can have difficult relationships.

The whole thing is complicated by my daughter's struggles and the fact that my husband is also a little fragile (he had a breakdown some years ago and so relates to our daughter's struggles painfully well).

I want to do the right thing by everyone but also know that I can't go back to the way it was with my mother before even if we do re-establish contact at some point. I was giving her so much time (despite being the primary earner for the family so I was already time poor) and know that my priority really needs to be my daughter and the rest of my family. I'm also struggling not to feel overwhelmed by the emotional impact of all the different elements.

I've probably put too much in here and sorry if it's all a bit garbled.

So the TLDR version would be: if you have gone NC with a parent, how did you handle the relationship of the parent with your children if they were older teens? How much did you share? Did you encourage them to continue the relationship or not?

Thank you and sorry for the lengthy post -- I didn't do very well on keeping it down I realise!

Hi OP, I appreciate this a few months old.. but thought I’d share my recent experience which is not dissimilar to yours. My parents split up when I was 5, I was sent to boarding school at 6.. absolutely hated it, savage homesickness. Mum met a new much older richer man.. started leaving me in boarding school at weekends so they could go on holiday.
they were both alcoholics who had a very abusive toxic relationship.
She never helped me financially. I left home at 18 with nothing.
I fell into very unhealthy relationships with older men because I needed taking care of.. places to live etc.
Met my now husband in 2021, had two beautiful children.. parents moved abroad when they were born so zero help from
them. Rarely got phone calls while they were away.
They now love back in the UK.. 10 mins from me..my mother due to heavy smoking and drinking is obese and has COPD.. expects me to look after her in old age.. which I did for a bit but that was affecting my MH and I was becoming resentful. She’s got a big birthday coming up and she was telling me how she wanted nice surprises for her birthday.. I wasn’t even bought a birthday cake as a child..never received thoughtful presents.. just cheap tat.
As an adult she has no respect for my views politically (they differ greatly from hers) so I would avoid topics that would rile her, yet she would always start a conversation that she knew would create drama. She started putting me down in front of my children and involved my 11 DD in an argument accusing my daughter of doing something she didn’t do.. so for me NC was my only option.. I wasn’t prepared to let my daughter be a victim of my mother the way I had been my whole life. My daughter doesn’t like her so she was relieved. My son is also 17 and has always had a relatively good relationship with my mother… he knows the situation is tricky between me and my mum but I have said to him it is entirely up to him if he wants a relationship with her. They have one another’s mobile numbers and I’m leaving it to him to decide. I feel he’s old enough to make that decision.
I’m very close to my son so I’m sure if she starts to badmouth me he’ll see the toxicity for himself and make a decision to suit him.
Its a really hard thing to navigate..
In your case, your mother was so wrong to trivialise your step fathers peeping.. that’s just so grim. You have done the right thing cutting her off.. we knows as mums we would never put our daughters is harmful situations such as the situation you were put in.
Good luck with your son. Trust your instincts where your mother is concerned.. if you think she’ll do more harm to your son.. then tell him the truth about your past and let him decide.. he’s old enough IMO.. plus it helps our kids understand that certain behaviours should never be tolerated. X

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