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Elderly parents

Difficult mother, now

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LookOverHere · 28/09/2023 22:37

Sorry subject should be; Difficult mother, now with toilet issues! Just reading the threads and really feel for everyone suffering the strain of difficult ageing parents, makes me feel less alone. I have a humdinger to share. I was on holiday with my 78 year old parents last week (for the first time in 15 years), highs and lows, but the real low was my mum crapping herself at the breakfast table in a full restaurant. She just announced it was happening and didn’t bother even trying to move and get to a toilet in time, just let it all come out while sitting. I was absolutely mortified and froze. She commanded my dad to run to their room to get something to wrap around her. At that point I thought, no, I don’t want to deal with this, so I left to my room. She’s an “abrasive” person, and I never felt looked after by her, I never got much sympathy for anything painful I’ve experienced, and I noticed a lot of resentment rising in me. Anyway, it turns out she had her gallbladder removed, and was given a list of food she shouldn’t eat, because she now has less bile to digest fat, so it just rushes through to the, er, exit, but she keeps eating those foods (hence the sudden upset stomach). I noticed at breakfast she’d put three packs of butter on her two slices of toast, then piled on greasy bacon etc. and guess what, more explosive situations happened on other days. She’s always been a bit of a glutton, loves fatty food, which might have destroyed her gallbladder in the first place. She’s become very overweight and is developing mobility issues, has always neglected her health and I feel never takes responsibility for anything, expects to be looked after. I had a talk with her, she basically told me to shut up and “don’t you sometimes sh*t yourself?” (no), meanwhile my very enabler dad just chuckles and says she likes all the unhealthy foods and what can he do? He dislikes confrontation with her, panders to her. So what, we now just say ok to her, please go ahead and crap yourself publicly due to your own refusal to modify your diet and we’ll clean up? Is this what stubborn old age is? Like second toddlerhood? I feel pretty embarrassed and sad about the whole thing. Any advice on handling this would be much appreciated. Thank you. Solidarity to everyone feeling the stress.

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Alcemeg · 28/09/2023 22:44

Oh gosh!!!!!!! I have no wisdom to share!!!!! Just wanted to express sympathy and solidarity and support... and thank you for making me look on the bright side re my own elderly DM. Things could clearly be a lot worse!!!!!!!

I don't know what I'd do in your shoes. Run a mile, probably. Parents eh, who'd 'ave 'em?!?

LookOverHere · 28/09/2023 23:12

Thank you for your kind reply x

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DustyLee123 · 29/09/2023 06:53

unfortunately there’s not a lot you can do. I assume she wouldn’t wear those TENA pants or adult nappy pants, so I’d leave her to it, but I wouldn’t be going anywhere to eat with her.

EmotionalBlackmail · 29/09/2023 11:56

Her choice. I wouldn't go out for a meal with her - or go on holiday with her either!

Pr1mr0se · 29/09/2023 12:09

Can you get her booked in to see her doctor as a check up so that she can be 'reminded' of her diet restrictions? Tena pants (if she'll wear them) sound like a good idea.... So sorry you're going through this, it sounds rough.

countrygirl99 · 29/09/2023 12:47

I doubt she'll change but it would be the last holiday or trip out for me. I'm assuming the problem can occur at any time in any place.
Sadly if someone has capacity and they make bad decisions they have to live with the consequences.

SausageAndEggSandwich · 29/09/2023 12:53

Christ.

OP I think you did absolutely the right thing by getting up and leaving.

You didn't fuss about her, give her attention or anything else that she is hoping to get from behaving that way - you just left her and your enabler dad to get on with it.

Wolvesart · 29/09/2023 15:05

Oh gosh, that sounds awful to deal with. My MIL had a gallbladder op about that age and I don’t remember this happening to her or having to know about adjustments. I guess she just made them.

It’s such a difficult thing to deal with for you and I think you took the right approach.

Our 2 remaining elders are around the 90 mark. Both struggling with self care and have carers. The struggles are more with mobility. This can impact toileting but they have taken steps to counteract getting caught short and keep things manageable.

Again, sorry you had to go through that OP

TomatoSandwiches · 29/09/2023 15:10

There must be something wrong with her mental state if she is happy to shit herself in public rather than forgo some butter and bacon.
I'm so sorry she did that infront of you so nonchalantly, it speaks of utter disrespect to herself and you.
It would be the end of any meals and holidays with if she was my mother.

LookOverHere · 29/09/2023 17:18

Thanks for your reply, and yes there is definitely something psychologically wrong. But she’s always been like that, not easily embarrassed and little empathy for others. Her mood was always very up and down. 30 years ago I suggested a visit to GP because I really felt there was something wrong (clinical depression?) but I also occasionally wonder about NPD (grandiose behaviour) sometimes even ASD (I haven’t said that to her of course). She wouldn’t hear of it. My dad won’t hear of it, she’s just “a bit abrasive”. I always knew she’d become even more difficult as she aged, and yet I still feel troubled and sad about it. It’s so bad it’s comedy bad. Working on acceptance, and detachment. Thanks to everyone for replying, really appreciate it.

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LookOverHere · 29/09/2023 17:26

Good suggestions, thank you. Got her Tena pants already for mild urine incontinence, but as I found out they can’t hold a massive adult dump (sorry to be graphic). Doctor appointments are an excruciating dance that I entered into for decades and now can no longer cope with, her behaviour is so stressful and childish. I’m working on leaving her to it and detaching with love (not easy).

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Borntobeamum · 29/09/2023 21:25

Sorry to read this but it’s nice to hear it happens to others and not just me.

My mum needed the loo in Tesco. I pointed her in the right direction and was suddenly aware of a huge rumpus.
People were shouting and laughing. Others were filming on their phones and there was my sweet 89 year old mum leaving a trail of faeces as she trotted off to the loo.

I just didn’t know what to do.
It was just the most upsetting and saddest moment of my life…… 💔

LookOverHere · 30/09/2023 00:56

I’m sorry you and your mum had to go through that. Those people are terrible for laughing and filming, really immature and rude. It may well happen to them one day!

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mathanxiety · 30/09/2023 02:19

I had my gallbladder removed and I know a few other friends and family members who have too.

We were all told to avoid fatty foods as much as possible and eat plenty of fruit and veg and fibre. Of course we have all continued to enjoy bacon and cheese and whipped cream on dessert, all the usual Christmas goodies, etc.

Your mother's fecal incontinence had nothing to do with having her gallbladder removed. It has nothing to do with her diet either.

She needs to see a psychologist.

Your dad needs to give his head a wobble.

Step way back from this literal shit show.

Nat6999 · 30/09/2023 02:24

The gallbladder runs usually only last a couple of weeks before the body sorts itself out & it settles down. You need to persuade her to speak to the continence nurse.

TammyJones · 30/09/2023 03:27

DustyLee123 · 29/09/2023 06:53

unfortunately there’s not a lot you can do. I assume she wouldn’t wear those TENA pants or adult nappy pants, so I’d leave her to it, but I wouldn’t be going anywhere to eat with her.

THIS
End of problem.

TammyJones · 30/09/2023 03:28

SausageAndEggSandwich · 29/09/2023 12:53

Christ.

OP I think you did absolutely the right thing by getting up and leaving.

You didn't fuss about her, give her attention or anything else that she is hoping to get from behaving that way - you just left her and your enabler dad to get on with it.

Absolutely.
Silly woman.

TammyJones · 30/09/2023 03:33

Nat6999 · 30/09/2023 02:24

The gallbladder runs usually only last a couple of weeks before the body sorts itself out & it settles down. You need to persuade her to speak to the continence nurse.

That makes sense as I have 2 relatives that had this op and didn't have these problems.

Netaporter · 30/09/2023 04:11

@LookOverHere I think the most you can do here is to send your concerns to the GP (they can take information but may not comment on it) and ask for a referral to both the incontinence service (the pads are free and suitable for faecal incontinence so no need to spend £’s on tena pants). I’d also ask for a psych referral and capacity assessment given your mother is displaying abnormal societal behaviour then leave it at that. It may be that a referral is all that is needed to either force your mother into modifying her behaviour or actually get her help she may need. I agree that in the situation you describe you did the right thing by leaving.

@Borntobeamum I’m sorry that happened to your Mum. WTAF is wrong with people that you would film a vulnerable elderly person in this situation? Just awful.

LindorDoubleChoc · 30/09/2023 04:37

I'm sorry OP, what a horribly unsettling and unnerving thing for you to witness.

Not all gall bladder removals go well. It's true your mother isn't helping herself with her fatty diet, but there are also medications you can take for bile acid malabsorbtion. Have a Google.

If I were in your shoes I'd take your Dad aside and tell him you will not be spending any time in your mother's company until she has been to the GP about this episode. Absolutely drive it home to him that it is NOT something to just brush off or make light of and that you are immensely angry with them both and are not mucking around.

ZekeZeke · 30/09/2023 04:51

That sounds like diverticulitis-she needs to see the GP.

NeunundneunzigHorseBallonz · 30/09/2023 05:06

Do you think she genuinely believes it’s normal to crap your pants where people are trying to eat or is she just covering it up with bravado? If she does this often at home, surely her house is going to stink. Do you think a MH assessment could be forced by SS?

Londonnight · 30/09/2023 06:36

As she has had her gall bladder removed she could now have BAM [ bile acid malabsorption]. It is very common after gall bladder surgery ] as I have found to my cost ]. You can get IBS symptoms and the very sudden urge [ not that I have ever done it in a restaurant ].
I can't believe she just sat there --- I would be mortified!

She needs to see a doctor and describe the symptoms. I am on what is called "binders" and these really help with the symptoms.

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