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Elderly parents

Alcoholic moth - help!

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Harridge74 · 29/08/2023 13:49

Mother not Moth!Hi guys, im new here and this is my first post so apologies if things arent perfect. Im looking for advice on how to manage the relationship with my elderly mum (75). Firstly, the data.Me – 49, never married and no children. Live alone.Mum – 75, widowed in 2005. Lives 5 miles from me.Sister – 51, married two children. New Zealand.Early lifeWe were a fairly normal family although my Dad had 3 nervous breakdowns before I was 16 when he had to spend some time in a private hospital. If he had never have told me I would never have realised but I guess thats parenting for you. I went on to college and university while my sister did the job, married and kids thing. If anything I was given too much freedom and little direction however due to close emotional family ties I chose to go to a local university and stayed at home. I eventually moved out when I was 24, much to my mothers annoyance. I could go into greater detail about childhood but I don’t think its relevant, suffice to say there has been historical gas lighting, manipulation and bad feelings in the past.In 2005 my father passed away after a long battle with lung disease. Certain things happened at the hospital which I find painful to talk about but suffice to say less than 6 months later my mother had a new love interest. I think this disgusted my sister so much within a year she had left the country to start a new life in New Zealand with her husband and children. Ordinarily this would put have pressure on mine and my mothers relationship but as it was always strained beforehand, my sisters really put our relationship under the spotlight. Without being overly negative, I would say almost 15 years later we have an ‘ok’ relationship as our shared grief, as it were, has brought us closer together however her drinking and ‘mystery illnesses’ are having an increasingly detrimental affect.The issueIn short, my mum is constantly nauseous however this is always in the mornings. She drinks around a bottle of white wine a day followed by at least 2 brandy nightcaps. Every night. This in turn means she never has an appetite and does not eat properly during the day. I would class myself as a liberal and what you do and how you treat your body is upto you but when it has a detrimental affect on those who love you I think its selfish behaviour. My mum calls me every night (im 49!) and whilst I understand she maybe lonely and afraid of getting old, her slurred speech and non sensical conversation leave me feeling cold and angry. My mum means well and can be very generous and thoughtful but on days out, like today, the consequences of her actions have knock on effects.TodayIt was her idea to visit a local stately home and it started well but when we got there she threw up twice into a bush and basically didn’t have the strength to walk 50 metres. This isnt the first time it has happened. As she is getting older it is getting worse and it really upsets me. I have tried to explain that she must eat regular meals and cut back on the booze but it just seems to go over her head. When I call my sister in New Zealand I just get a blank response. Today I have tried some tough love and decided to give her the cold shoulder. It might sound harsh but she needs to understand what she is doing. She has been to the Dr’s countless times who, after tests etc, always tell her there is nothing wrong with her, which there isnt. Im really struggling with it and the guilt that losing patience brings. I just don’t know how to approach it. I could write reams about the emotional family background but I don’t think it would help much. I think its better to deal with the facts. She has always been so single minded and stubborn but always care free. Could it be the start of dementia? I don’t think so. She seems fairly lucid most of the time and has the strength to shout at me if i criticise her behaviour so I think apart from the drinking she would be perfectly normal. Happy to answer any questions which might shine a better light on the situation. Thanks everyone.

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Problesolving · 29/08/2023 14:22

Sounds like a difficult situation. You can ring her GP and leave a message raising your concerns, they won’t share anything with you but they will listen. Have you tried saying to your Mum that she drinks too much and this is why she is ill?

Caring for an older adult and/or having contact with someone who is an alcoholic both require you to have strong boundaries. It perfectly reasonable for you to say I’m out tonight so can’t talk (you don’t actually need to be out) and I will talk to you on Wednesday if your sober. If I can tell you’ve been drinking then I will hang up.

Al - anon may be helpful.

Harridge74 · 29/08/2023 15:20

Hi thanks for taking time to reply. So, after a difficult day yesterday I called her last night to explain my stance. In fairness she did listen to me say my piece so lets see if it makes any impact moving forward. Most times she calls me around 8:30-9 so invariably I am at home however at weekends I just briefly say im out or whatever and she apologises so its not that bad. I guess the thing that frustrates the most is in typical alcoholic style she cannot recognise the problems with drinking on an empty stomach and what it does to appetite / the body.

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Problesolving · 29/08/2023 15:35

Harridge74 · 29/08/2023 15:20

Hi thanks for taking time to reply. So, after a difficult day yesterday I called her last night to explain my stance. In fairness she did listen to me say my piece so lets see if it makes any impact moving forward. Most times she calls me around 8:30-9 so invariably I am at home however at weekends I just briefly say im out or whatever and she apologises so its not that bad. I guess the thing that frustrates the most is in typical alcoholic style she cannot recognise the problems with drinking on an empty stomach and what it does to appetite / the body.

Your mother is an alcoholic. It’s not just the drinking on an empty stomach that is the problem.

Kofola · 29/08/2023 23:14

There is something wrong with her if she's an alcoholic. Unfortunately it's not something you can fix for her and it sounds like even if she stopped drinking that whatever is driving it won't just go away.

The only thing you can do is enforce your own boundaries - say you're going straight home if she's drunk or hungover on a day out, don't listen to her rambling when she's drunk.

I think it's important to let your sister know there's a problem but she's not going to be able to fix things any more than you can.

Also, I think there might be a gap between what you think is happened and what actually is happening. Alcoholics are good liars, and I wouldn't take her word for it that she's drinking as much as she says she is and that there's no issue with her test results.

What's your mum's excuse for all of this? The hardly being able to move thing sounds like she's drinking more than a bottle of wine and two brandies the night before. Has she had any falls or any bruises?

Harridge74 · 30/08/2023 09:29

Kofola · 29/08/2023 23:14

There is something wrong with her if she's an alcoholic. Unfortunately it's not something you can fix for her and it sounds like even if she stopped drinking that whatever is driving it won't just go away.

The only thing you can do is enforce your own boundaries - say you're going straight home if she's drunk or hungover on a day out, don't listen to her rambling when she's drunk.

I think it's important to let your sister know there's a problem but she's not going to be able to fix things any more than you can.

Also, I think there might be a gap between what you think is happened and what actually is happening. Alcoholics are good liars, and I wouldn't take her word for it that she's drinking as much as she says she is and that there's no issue with her test results.

What's your mum's excuse for all of this? The hardly being able to move thing sounds like she's drinking more than a bottle of wine and two brandies the night before. Has she had any falls or any bruises?

Thanks for taking time to reply.I guess at the end of the day its her prerogative in the way she leads her life however I dont want to see her hungover or drunk so thats where I have to draw the line. For me its a question of responsibilities but what do I know, she is always right.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 30/08/2023 09:48

To be able to cut down she needs two things

  1. to want to do it, and want to do it more than she wants do do anything else, more than she wants to quell the emotional pain she is in

  2. help and support from people who know what they’re doing

By all means alert her GP, but apart from that, I’m afraid you’re a bystander, which is the most difficult role of all. Look after yourself, and don’t feel constrained to stay in a situation you find intolerable.

She will be doing herself physical damage and will eventually end in hospital, which may kickstart a withdrawal from alcohol. Or it may not.

Harridge74 · 30/08/2023 13:17

MereDintofPandiculation · 30/08/2023 09:48

To be able to cut down she needs two things

  1. to want to do it, and want to do it more than she wants do do anything else, more than she wants to quell the emotional pain she is in

  2. help and support from people who know what they’re doing

By all means alert her GP, but apart from that, I’m afraid you’re a bystander, which is the most difficult role of all. Look after yourself, and don’t feel constrained to stay in a situation you find intolerable.

She will be doing herself physical damage and will eventually end in hospital, which may kickstart a withdrawal from alcohol. Or it may not.

Thanks for taking time to reply.I called her last night to show that as her son I do care about her well being. The conversation was non-eventful although her attitude ranged from apologetic to sarcastic. As i mentioned above, I dont care what you do with your life however at some point it should become clear when your actions are hurting others, right?

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MereDintofPandiculation · 30/08/2023 13:39

I dont care what you do with your life however at some point it should become clear when your actions are hurting others, right? I would have thought that if she's an alcoholic, which she clearly is, then either she's so deep in her own problems she's not aware she's hurting others, or she is aware, and this is making her feel even more crap about herself and even less able to help herself.

It's not your mother that is hurting you, it is the addiction she is carrying.

I think you have to separate out your love for a mother (albeit a mother that is long gone) and your desire for a mother that loves you. At the moment, she is not capable of showing her love to anyone. Mourn the mother you have lost, care for the human being you have in front of you in memory of the mother you have lost, and above all, look after yourself. Remember that you cannot look after anyone else unless you are well yourself.

Andante57 · 30/08/2023 13:42

I dont care what you do with your life however at some point it should become clear when your actions are hurting others, right?

Yes, this is one of the reasons why alcoholism is a nightmare as it effects everyone who is in close contact with the alcoholic.
I am sorry you are going through this op. Please go to an Al Anon meeting - you will find help and support from people who have been through/are going through the same thing.
Unfortunately no one csn stop an alcoholic drinking.

Harridge74 · 30/08/2023 17:49

Andante57 · 30/08/2023 13:42

I dont care what you do with your life however at some point it should become clear when your actions are hurting others, right?

Yes, this is one of the reasons why alcoholism is a nightmare as it effects everyone who is in close contact with the alcoholic.
I am sorry you are going through this op. Please go to an Al Anon meeting - you will find help and support from people who have been through/are going through the same thing.
Unfortunately no one csn stop an alcoholic drinking.

Thanks for your concern.

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Harridge74 · 30/08/2023 17:53

MereDintofPandiculation · 30/08/2023 13:39

I dont care what you do with your life however at some point it should become clear when your actions are hurting others, right? I would have thought that if she's an alcoholic, which she clearly is, then either she's so deep in her own problems she's not aware she's hurting others, or she is aware, and this is making her feel even more crap about herself and even less able to help herself.

It's not your mother that is hurting you, it is the addiction she is carrying.

I think you have to separate out your love for a mother (albeit a mother that is long gone) and your desire for a mother that loves you. At the moment, she is not capable of showing her love to anyone. Mourn the mother you have lost, care for the human being you have in front of you in memory of the mother you have lost, and above all, look after yourself. Remember that you cannot look after anyone else unless you are well yourself.

The frustrating (and to her hurtful) thing is she can be overly generous and caring, almost suffocating at times. I think this is her way of dealing with the guilt of having a daughter pretty much out of contact and a son struggling to cope. I really dont know however I do know know that her drinking habits are hurtful and must change because they are driving me away.

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MereDintofPandiculation · 30/08/2023 19:55

I really dont know however I do know know that her drinking habits are hurtful and must change because they are driving me away. Her drinking won’t change unless she wants it to. You really must look after yourself

BinaryDot · 02/09/2023 14:24

Was really hoping for an alcoholic moth.

A bottle of wine every day plus spirits (which is what she's admitted to, so it may be more than that, will definitely be more than that sometimes) is a LOT of alcohol. It's recommended for health that you have no more than 14 units a week, your DM is consuming that much per day.

Health note: nausea in the mornings is a sign of liver disease. It's possible she's not reporting everything the GP said, and it's possible any liver function tests done didn't pick up disease at that point for a number of reasons, one of the points at which tests don't work well is when the liver is already quite damaged.

It may be that a proper medical engagment will jolt her into self-care and joining a group with which she can recover: there are alternatives to AA nowadays, there will be local groups which she can find online. It's unlikely there will be NHS help on the support front (she may be lucky) but the GP could monitor her health.

You won't be able to stop her drinking OP, you may not in fact be helping now but enabling. Harsh I know, sorry. Take care of yourself, try not to get enmeshed in either her alcohol problems or possible recovery because addiction does not work the way well-meaning people hope it will, she is way better off engaging with other people who are in that world of addiction and recovery. You could initially find out the information and give it to her - not everyone wants to stop or can stop, so be prepared and make sure you have your own life.

Wheresthebloomingsummersunshine · 02/09/2023 14:39

There's a lot for you to unravel in your relationship. Beware of continuing to enable her behaviour by accepting it.
She's probably lying about exactly how she's drinking. Is she self medicating with alcohol because she's lonely/depressed? She has to want to give it up for her own health.
When she calls you and you can tell she's been drinking, draw your boundaries and end the call and let her know you'll speak to her when she's sober.

Harridge74 · 07/09/2023 11:20

Thanks for your advice everyone.

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