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Elderly parents

Have run out of patience with elderly father

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WanderleyWagon · 22/07/2023 18:44

Have other MNers have ever abruptly run out of patience with an older parent?

My mother died more than 15 years ago, relatively young. My mother was the leader in every aspect of my parents' relationship; she planned all family activities, ran the household, worked a challenging job, managed their finances. She also managed the relationships between my father and most other people in his life including myself, my sibiling, and my parents' shared friends. My father is a very passive person and was happy to be bossed about.

My mother's death was very sudden and there wasn't any chance to talk about what future support for my father might look like. Since then, I've tried to support him. I live in another country, but have visited often, taken him on holidays, helped with his life admin, encouraged him to see friends and family, set up some more home support for him and done, in person or remotely, lots of small tasks that he finds difficult. My sibling lives on the other side of the world and, while kind and with good intentions, is not able to offer much support.

My dad still lives independently but his judgement is fragile, he makes poor financial decisions, he is needy, anxious and probably depressed. His mobility is worsening, but his mental and emotional health is worse than his physical health. He tends to be very negative. He is a poor communicator and struggles to articulate what he thinks and wants in ways that make sense to other people. He may be showing initial signs of dementia, but it is hard to tell because he has behaved oddly over a period of many years. (He may be neurodiverse; other people in the family have recently been diagnosed.)

I knew my father would need substantial support for the rest of his life, and over the years I have visited every couple of months, more or less and checked in by phone at least every week. I thought that, though this support probably seems a bit meagre to some people, it could at least be consistently maintained almost indefinitely, and I'd have something left in the tank when my father needed more support.

But this is not how it's panning out. My father's mobility is worsening and he needs more help/closer attention paid to his finances etc. because his judgement is also worsening. And now I'm finding that far from having 'something left in the tank' I seem to be losing all patience.

I don't know why I'm suddenly so angry and frustrated with him. I have some of my own stuff going on (perimenopausal, struggling at work) but I don't have a markedly more busy life now than I did before. He has been deteriorating very gradually over many years; there's not been any sudden change. But I feel like I am increasingly off with him. This (predictably) makes him even more anxious and stressed.

It feels as though, the more fragile he feels and the more scared and depressed he gets, the angrier I get and the more I want to say cruel things to him. I can barely stand to visit at the moment, though I still do. He lives in an unsuitable house and refuses to move to sheltered accommodation or accept more care at home. This is not unusual, I know! But he complains all the time about how he finds things very difficult, and I have begun to actually lose my temper, which is unlike me.

Has anybody else experienced these kinds of feelings? How did you deal with them? Did you find a way of recovering your usual patient, kind carer persona? All suggestions would be welcome because I am disliking myself at the moment and I really don't know what to do.

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boboshmobo · 22/07/2023 19:21

Yep! I have a elderly mum who had a stroke last year and was utterly vile for a long while . She is much better now but I can't get over it . She has vascular dementia but won't acknowledge that and keeps saying she is going to get better and drive again etc and won't accept help or move somewhere . I feel your pain . It's horrendous.

I'm also a carer for my disabled son so I'm exhausted most of the time .

AnSolas · 22/07/2023 19:31

Is it a little possible that you are seeing a version of future you?
Will this be the first up close and personal end of life process that you are going through?
Because anger can be a symptom of mourning for a loved one, and, you can't breakdown and cry when you are in fight mode.

WanderleyWagon · 22/07/2023 20:55

@boboshmobo that sounds so difficult - I'm so sorry.
I at least don't have children, which I thought would give me more bandwidth for my dad, but apparently not atm...

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WanderleyWagon · 22/07/2023 20:56

@AnSolas thank you for such a thoughtful post. I think there's something in there about me worrying about my own old age and about feeling lonely and scared and making bad decisions. I'm very like my father in lots of ways :(

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Highflow · 23/07/2023 12:08

I’m going through something very similar with my elderly father. I have 2 primary aged children and now it’s summer holidays I’m feeling increasingly stressed on managing my father, children, work.
I feel a lot of resentment that I wasn’t feeling a few months ago. Resentment that he didn’t plan for his old age and is in a big old house, resentment that he was nearly 50 when he had me so now I’m dealing with an 87 year old father when I’m at the age of having young children. Most of my peers won’t be looking after their parents until their own children have left home.
I don’t enjoy out time together anymore, I hate to say it but I dread it. It’s not quality time, I’m his housekeeper/cook/taxi.
How I cope is by thinking that when he is no longer here, I won’t feel any regret that I didn’t help (unlike my siblings), but that doesn’t help with the fact of how hard this is when you’re in it.

Limetreee · 23/07/2023 12:46

Yep same here. Mum 92 I’m late 60s absolutely no patience whatsoever! This has happened over the last few months. I say my prayers every night and ask to be given some patience, but it never arrives. I ask friends if they feel the same and the answer is usually yes.
My DH thinks I do well, but I’m very hard on myself. No matter what your dad says you must get help in place there’s no choice. My mum has carers 4 times a day and hates them, but it’s hard cheese because I refuse to visit everyday. She’s very bitter about it though,she put the phone down on me yesterday because I was out for the day, trying to enjoy my retirement with my long suffering DH 🤷‍♀️

thedevilinablackdress · 23/07/2023 12:47

You've been supporting him for 15 years, it's no wonder you're fed up. And if you're perimenopausal, the 'caring' hormones are in decline.
Some ideas

  • Outsource as much support as you can. I don't know what that looks like in your circumstances.
  • Remember he is an adult and unless he lacks capacity, can make his own decisions, even bad ones
  • Tell him you're struggling. You're allowed to. Maybe not in so much detail as you've given here, but if he's a good parent, he'll want to help
Lucy377 · 23/07/2023 13:03

It's very difficult for you as an adult child to see the person that minded you all your life, suddenly being unable to do that job anymore.
Your once strong, predictable and safe Dad now is needy and fragile.
The result is anger. Because the child in you is furious that he has put this upon you.
It's very hard to get used to the swopping of those roles.
It's also tough hearing a loved one tell you over and over their life is awful, has problem, etc. But then not take any advice.
So you may have to take his complaining and offloading bit more lightly and less to heart. And remind yourself he is safe right this minute and not in danger.

Persipan · 23/07/2023 13:05

I think one of the things I find very frustrating about dealing with my dad is that he doesn't seem to predict things that are entirely predictable, because he hasn't really adjusted to his own current (and potential future) level of ability to do things. He knows intellectually they he's less able to do certain things; he's frustrated by it constantly, but does he plan around that in terms of thinking about his life and his future? Does he bollocks! And does he prioritise doing things that will maintain his current level of fitness/balance/physical health? Also no!

I think I just fundamentally find it very frustrating to watch someone doing things in a way that I perceive as 'wrong' - but in fairness, there are plenty of things I'm sure he thinks I ought to do differently and he mostly keeps his mouth shut about those. So I mainly keep to offering suggestions of ways he could approach a problem when he raises one, and rinse and repeat until he eventually makes a decision.

MereDintofPandiculation · 23/07/2023 20:24

resentment that he was nearly 50 when he had me so now I’m dealing with an 87 year old father when I’m at the age of having young children. There’s no good time. I’m frustrated that with the decreasing energy I’m feeling in my 70’s i’m still worrying about a 100 year old DF. I had a lot more energy in my 50s.

I think @Lucy377 has a valid point.

Watchagotch72 · 23/07/2023 22:59

Hmm, it’s difficult isn’t it. If your mum had only died recently and you’d been thrust into this supporting role, it would make sense to pin your feelings on the changed circumstances. But you’ve been doing this for 15 years and it sounds like you have been doing the absolute best you can to keep supporting your dad from a distance all that time, plus you sound very self-aware

it’s possible that the change in the way you feel about this situation is down to you. That’s not in any way to blame you: everyone changes over time, not just elderly parents, for many reasons. You mention menopause, problems at work. These things Can change your outlook on life and the amount of energy you have to give. I’m 51, peri menopausal and utterly irritated by my not-very-elderly mum 🙄. And just about everyone else 😂.

so maybe it is you, not him - and that’s normal and ok. 15 years is a long time to be doing this, it would be more unusual not to feel differently over time. Maybe you are both moving into a new stage, and that’s going to be unsettling for a while.

Poochypaws · 24/07/2023 10:59

Utterly utterly normal. It's like a job you can't resign from no matter how much you hate it. So you feel trapped and angry and fucked off. It never ends. You solve one thing and before you're even finished they are complaining about something else.

I've just spent an hour and a half trying to get my new POA card to work to buy my mums shopping. Five departments with her bank later (each one passing me to someone else) I have hung up because I am on the brink of swearing at one of them.
Every bloody thing turns in to hours of work.
I got a phone call last night at 11pm from someone re mum. Another call this morning at 6.50am re her.

Fuck off the lot of you.

Entirely normal to feel as you do.

I mean normally if you hate a job you can resign right.
It seems the only way you can get rid of this one is when they die (or you do).

Lethalinformation · 24/07/2023 11:09

Utterly utterly normal. It's like a job you can't resign from no matter how much you hate it. So you feel trapped and angry and fucked off. It never ends. You solve one thing and before you're even finished they are complaining about something else.

I echo every single word of this, it's a flipping nightmare

sunshinesupermum · 24/07/2023 11:27

Being an older person myself (75) although fortunately not requiring help from DDs, I feel very anxious about being less able to do things I used to take for granted (eg driving) and also tend not to take advice. Not sure what to suggest to the angry OP. It's a difficult situation for us all.

WanderleyWagon · 24/07/2023 15:13

I just want to thank everybody who has taken the time to post on this thread - I am very moved and impressed by the kindness, good sense and compassion on display. It's very, very comforting to know that I'm not the only person feeling these feelings. Sorry that I can't respond to you all individually.

To @Lucy377, your post is very wise, but one of my issues is that when I was growing up my dad wasn't actually the strong, reliable parent. I know he loves us, but by the time my mother died I had become very aware that he was more like a third child for her to take care of. She was frustrated and stressed by this, and I think in some ways, I might be resenting him a bit for her too (which probably isn't healthy for me or him).

A special shoutout to @sunshinesupermum - you're of course right that it's difficult for all parties. I don't underestimate how not-fun it is for him to be anxious and gradually losing the motivation and ability to do things. I do still have compassion and hopefully, I'll be able to access that sense of compassion again soon.

And it is of course his prerogative to take, or not take, any advice I give him. I think I'm going to try to take @Lucy377 's advice not to take things so much to heart. I'm going to give myself a break, not plan another trip for a few weeks, and hope that a bit of self-care and focusing on work and friends for a while will help me get some of my mojo back. Warm, warm thanks again to everybody and solidarity with your own frustrations and hopes.

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WhatHaveIFound · 24/07/2023 15:33

Yes, I'd say it's normal but that's coming from someone who said the F word in front of her mum the other day. Even my daughter said she wouldn't say it in front of me!

I feel I'm very patient with my ailing dad but less so with my mum who just moans on that life hasn't treated them well. The fact they live in a big detached house and can afford all the care dad needs seems to pass her by.

The final straw was when she made excuses that my sister hadn't called for a whole week because she was busy at work. As though sorting all their admin & medical stuff plus visiting dad in hospital every other day is easy for me working full time!

The only solution I've found is to take myself to the gym, switch off my phone and have some me time. And breathe...

boboshmobo · 24/07/2023 19:45

@Poochypaws this is sooooo true !

I fear my mum will be like this and a pain for the next ten years at least and then I will be old and unwell . I've spent since I was 28 being a mum or support carer for my mum or child ( I sue a son with sn)

It's relentless 😞

BadSkiingMum · 24/07/2023 20:34

@WanderleyWagon
Would it be so bad if you did blow up and express anger towards your Dad? Something is clearly coming and perhaps better your Dad than your husband or colleagues, with whom you have far more to lose.

The other thing that absolutely leaks out of your post is that your Dad wants you to take charge.

EmmaEmerald · 25/07/2023 19:39

BadSkiingMum · 24/07/2023 20:34

@WanderleyWagon
Would it be so bad if you did blow up and express anger towards your Dad? Something is clearly coming and perhaps better your Dad than your husband or colleagues, with whom you have far more to lose.

The other thing that absolutely leaks out of your post is that your Dad wants you to take charge.

I second this

the only times I've got mum to help herself have been when I showed my irritation

I get the sense from you that you hate going into the relentless misery of that house and I don't blame you.

Needspace2023 · 02/10/2023 12:40

Can I just arghhhhh my 84 year old father is so cantankerous with me, the one with 2 children aged 10 and 13 who lives on the other side of London and is utterly sweet with my siblings, one who lives 5 minutes away nd has a small baby now and the other who lives abroad and has no children or spouse. Both siblings have taken advantage of mums death by taking inheritance and moving into the family home and phased me out.
Me and siblings have fallen out about caring for Dad but he won't accept help from me and leaves me worrying all the time.
I'm at the end of my tether with it all. Yes, I'm definitely perimenopausal too so not the sweet middle child who would accept the shitty behaviour like before.
I think this is known as the "sandwich generation". Stuck between raising kids and worry about elderly and frail parents. If you have a dysfunctional family it just adds to the stress.
I have no words of advice except it is a horrible phase of life and any bad feelings you have are probably warranted!

letsallmeetupinthehyear2000 · 02/10/2023 12:50

Have you explored the options of a career going in once a day just so he has sometime to chat to, make his bed, help him or just chat? Does he have the means for this - or does he qualify for this through the council/district?

muddyford · 02/10/2023 12:56

When a medical professional suggested contacting the local carers' support, all their stuff was about how to be a better carer. No one WANTS to be a carer. I wanted the odd coffee morning or ludo session or shared dog walk, not an envelope full of crap about my poor relation and how best I could support them. Not about supporting carers at all. I am still angry about it. They didn't even tell me about carers' week , when they did more of the things I had expected initially.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 02/10/2023 13:26

You need to insist on carers. He almost certainly won’t want them/won’t want to pay for them, but he’ll have to understand that you simply can’t go on supporting him the way you have. And frankly, to expect you to do so - especially when you’re not exactly living around the corner! - is very selfish.

I know all too well how hard it’ll probably be (we’ve had a very demanding elderly relative to cope with) but you do really need to get tough.

WanderleyWagon · 25/10/2023 19:52

Just coming back to the thread to say that he does have some support at home, but is (understandably) skittish about new people, so each small step forward is then followed by a long adjustment period. But there's some hope on the horizon that he may accept more support, which would be great.

I took on board some of the comments that I need to get less stressed about him not having ideal/optimal levels of support, so long as he is reasonably safe at home (which he is). That was helpful!

Thank you again to everybody who has taken the time to post.

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SmugglersHaunt · 25/10/2023 20:08

My dad died nearly two years ago. My mum’s been alone since. I speak to her every morning and evening and visit often but sometimes it feels like it’s sending me over the edge. The moaning (especially in the morning) is sometimes unbearable, especially if I’m stressed and/or have things in my mind (all the time at the mo). I resent her, then I feel wracked with guilt as I love her but she drives me up the wall sometimes. And then things from my childhood come up as well. It can ruin a day easily. Plus I have a vile brother who barely speaks to me so I can’t confide in him. I hate him for the horrible times he’s put us all through. I wish I could escape