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Elderly parents

care home 'guarantee'

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NettleTea · 20/07/2021 17:14

after a second UTI in so many weeks, and seemingly losing the ability to comprehend or walk, my FIL has been placed in a dementia care residential home

He was put there by adult social care under what was termed ' a covid deal' that DP was told he wouldnt have to pay for - for a preliminary period of 4 weeks, to assess whether he was able to improve at all, and before any decision as to whether he would be able to go home.

prior to moving there he was in hospital and there were some serious concerns raised by the physios (who discharged him as he wasnt able to engage nor was he willing to attempt walking) and the demetia team, and therefore adult social care. previously he had been able to walk around a bit, and had had 4 visits a day at home. He has had a permanent catheta fitted at hospital.

DP went down there yesterday and said he seemed much better than before he had gone into hospital and the place he is at is a nice place - he has been joking with the nurses and has a nice big room with a lovely view and seems quite happy.

The care home gave him an agreement to sign, but he has brought it home to look at

The form gives his date of admission and it also gives the fees and there is a section which asks who is paying the fees, which has local health authority ticked

it also has a section which states £ (left blank) fees payable by third party.

There is also talk of a 4 week trial period

There is a seperate piece of paper which is a guarantee that they want DP to sign, which says that he is liable for the third party payment as shown in the schedule, or any shortfall his dad doesnt make.

in itself that doesnt look bad, as the agreement / schedule has the zero sum and the health authority. However this guarantee states that the care home can change the fees and the schedule, so that may suddenly shift.

It was never agreed that DP would, nor is he able, to pay. He has financial POA for his dad, but not health, although adult social services did ask him if it was OK to discharge his dad to the home for the 4 weeks. Im pretty sure no CHC assessment was done, and he was told the home would be free under a covid payment. From what I understand this is still a left over from last year when no CHCs were being done, so NHS funding was available for 4 weeks to enable patients to be discharged from hospital to a care home.

If adult social care decide that he cant come home, and he needs this high needs dementia supported place, then he will need to be financially assessed, but DP cant pay. he doesnt even earn that much and he lives at the farm with his dad, and runs the business as a joint director.

Can he refuse to sign the paperwork. I think Ive seen on here that they will try to make a 3rd party responsible, which is why I suggested he brought the forms home and didnt sign them there.

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MeanderingGently · 20/07/2021 17:23

We had this with our mother. We couldn't pay anything and refused to sign anything. Don't get sucked into being responsible for something you can't pay for.
The local authority picked up ours, although we were selling our mother's house. The house picked up the shortfall but after a certain amount there was nothing left. We couldn't pay the rest....and didn't. Don't sign anything you can't honour.

NettleTea · 22/07/2021 18:47

well he seems to be on the up now! so the CHC may be a moot point. He is chatting to the other people, he is walking to the garden room, and is generally having a fine time.

which of course is excellent news.

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