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Elderly parents

DF loving in with us

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clutchingon · 21/10/2019 10:53

My mother died recently. My dad has a career who visits daily but he has no personal care needs. She just helps make his bed, washing, cleaning etc. He is disabled but mobile.

I think it would be better if he came to live with us but our house isn't suitable for his needs (or big enough) so I would need to build an extension with grandfather accommodation. Our plot is big enough to accommodate this properly (ie bedroom, lounge kitchen diner and bathroom) . It would be so much better for my family as I spend hours driving backwards and forwards and really he just wants company. He is 80 and no signs of dementia.

He would need to sell his house if we went down that road.

Will the council allow us to do this? Or will they say it is deprivation of assets? He doesn't have much in the way of savings (so his carer is only partly contributed to by him), I guess once the house is sold then anything left over will be counted as savings.

I'm more concerned about what happens in the future - ie if his care needs increase.

Has anyone done this and can offer any advice?

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AutumnRose1 · 23/10/2019 14:27

I don't know the answer but just giving this a bump.

Would it be easier for him to move nearer rather than the house be changed?

Apolloanddaphne · 23/10/2019 14:42

Would he want to move in with you? He may like having his independence and be resistant to any change.

clutchingon · 23/10/2019 20:31

Obviously I won't force a move on him. I think he would like to be around my children more. He has other children but only spends significant time with my family really. As the crow flies he lives quite close already it's just that the traffic where we live is abysmal and it can take me 45 minutes each way to do what ought to be a 10 minute journey.

I think he is quite lonely, particularly in the evenings. His house is more remote than mine and I live in a safer area so I think he would like it if it made sense financially. We kept my mum at home right to the end despite pressure from social services to move her to a home. He's elderly now and I would like to keep him at home if we can too. His medical needs aren't like my mums were though.

I'm not trying to pull a fast one and get my hands on his house I genuinely think it would be nicer for all of us.

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AutumnRose1 · 23/10/2019 21:09

So have you talked to him about it?

Would he be paying for the extension? That's the bit where I can potential for deprivation of assets coming up later, but I'm not sure. It should be fine to make changes to a place you will be living in i.e. his money for his benefit.

clutchingon · 24/10/2019 01:54

I I don't want to bring it up unless it would be allowed as I fear it would get his hopes up. Yes I would need him to pay for the extension. I don't know how we would fund it otherwise as we already have a large mortgage.

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AutumnRose1 · 24/10/2019 09:03

Maybe repost on the Legal board?

drankthekoolaid · 24/10/2019 21:20

Your dad can spend his money as he sees fit. If he wants to sell his house and pay for an extension on yours then he can. Not deprivation.

If he has capital left then that is what would count towards any care in the future if he needs any.

C0c0L0c082746 · 29/10/2019 23:57

Is there any reason why he can't live on his own ? Many people do

Does he have friends & neighbors in his area ?

Does he attend social clubs, doctor, hospital in his area ?

Sorry for the loss of your DM. Perhaps, you should wait a bit longer before making big decisions. How long has he been on his own ?

C0c0L0c082746 · 30/10/2019 00:00

Suggest he pays for cleaner, gardener

Perhaps you can arrange online shopping

Some pharmacies Will deliver regular medicine free, you just need to complete a form. Then phone each time to get it delivered

ineedaholidaynow · 30/10/2019 00:09

Would a retirement flat closer to you/amenities be a better fit?

How old are your children? As people get older their tolerance for the noise children can make, their activities, friends etc can reduce. Looking at your current lifestyle how much would he actually see you day to day?

PlaymobilPirate · 30/10/2019 00:16

Do you have room for him to stay while an extension is built? Living with extension upheaval is REALLY hard without shoehorning an extra guest in

HollowTalk · 30/10/2019 00:17

But OP, if he sells his house and puts a large chunk of the money into your house, what would happen when he died? His home would normally be sold and split between siblings, surely?

Why not suggest he buys into a retirement community near to you, where there's someone on duty and a communal area? He would have lots of company that way.

C0c0L0c082746 · 30/10/2019 08:34

I know people your DF age & older who live on their own & value their independence

It doesn't mean he has to come & live with you

How often do you visit ?

Can you phone instead of one of the visits ?

How do you think people manage, when their families live 100s of miles away or in other countries ?

Ilady · 31/10/2019 03:20

I know it's harder for you and your father since your mother died. Have you looked into services for the elderly where he lives? Is their a local day care centre? What about a local retirement group? Why not see if you can chat to the public health nurse in his area or his gp as they will know about local services/organisations in your fathers area that could get him out of his house a day or a few days a week.

What about supported housing near where you live? He would live on his own but get support and could meet up socaily with other people living their?

You mentioned that you have a large mortgage so he would need to sell his house to cover the cost of this. Where does he live when your waiting for planning permission and the building work to be done?
Have you spoken to your dp about this? What age are your children?
Do you work full or part time?

Say your father sells his house and you don't get planning for a grand dad extension? If your father moves into your house until the building work is due how will it effect you, your dp and children?
Once your father is living with you even in a granddad extension he could be in your house a lot so you have no privicy as a family or as a couple.

I know a lot of eldery people and they want to stay in their own home. They don't want to move. Also most elderly people don't like noise so asking them to move into a house with a few young kids or loud teenagers is a lot to ask.

If he moves in with you it will effect you, your dp and children. You will end up considering granddad before you go away for a day, a weekend or on holiday's. Do you want to be bringing granddad with you?
Do you want granddad expecting that every time you go to the local town you will always bring him with you?

Say your father gets into bad health and he needs more care - what happens then? Are you able to give up work to mind him full time?
Have you siblings that will help you out? Will your siblings think your offering to let him move into a grand dad extension so you can get your hands on his money - when they are expecting an inheritance at some stage?

Rather that let him move in with you I would look into additional services near him. Get him more help in the house is garden done, online shopping, daycare and retirement groups..

I think that with your mother dying you know he is on his own for a long period of each day and he likes some company. So your driving their a few days a week which means that it's eating into your free time and time you could be needed at home. Your probably not seeing your friends either and you need dad and family free time for your own health also.

I know people who have taken on minding and or living with elderly parents. It's not easy from a physical, mental, financial or in regards to their own family or personal life. Some elderly people are grateful for the help they are given. I know other elderly people and no matter what is done for them they are never happy and continuous complain about everything.

Myimaginaryfamiliarhasfleas · 31/10/2019 03:41

But OP, if he sells his house and puts a large chunk of the money into your house, what would happen when he died? His home would normally be sold and split between siblings, surely?

This is a good point. You are trying to do a kind thing but it might cause problems between you and your siblings.

Deprivation of assets is about deliberately trying to divest yourself of assets to avoid care fees. If he isn't showing signs of needing care imminently then he's at liberty to spend his money how he wants. If that means investing in an extension to your home so that he can live in it I doubt there would be an issue.

The sibling issue is the bigger one, in my view.

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