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On holiday with elderly mother - needing to vent

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robynadair · 28/04/2019 23:13

Sorry, this is a bit long and I'm just venting really. I'm an only child with a widowed mother in her early 80s. I live about an hour from her, phone every other day, take her out for the day fortnightly, and we take her on holiday with us once a year. I know she misses Dad but she's not socially isolated, she is heavily involved with the church, a gardening club, a cinema club, WI (all weekly) and also had a group of friends she's know for years that all meet up fortnightly. She comes from a large family and sees her siblings regularly. She also goes on holiday with them once a year and although she drives locally, is unhappy to drive long distances so either me or DH take and collect her so she can go. I also have bought her and iPad and a mobile phone and pay the bills for the phone. She loves both as she finds them much easier to use than a laptop and so is always emailing or texting her friends. I think I'm just venting as I do try my best for her.

She has long-standing cardiovascular health problems that were stable for many years but have deteriorated in the last 18 months, leading to falls. We've had her staying at our home a lot during these episodes. They've stabilised again recently but she'll need surgery which is being organised and she'll recuperate at our house. However in the last 18 months she's become increasingly querulous and difficult, it's like dealing with a large fractious toddler.

Im used to the repetitive conversations that go into detail about trivia and the continual getting hold of the wrong end of the stick due to her deafness and so expecting that (although the reading out of her emails to me from people I don't know took me by surprise!) but she's driving me mad on this holiday and I'm finding her behaviour a bit upsetting. It probably all sounds petty but it's been continual drip drip and it's getting to me. We're in a lovely cottage with great access for her, inc a ground floor bedroom with en-suite wet room, we've paid for it all, it's in a flat area & we've planned everything to suit her needs. She won't say what she wants to do as she wants to go with the flow. That's fine but then she's says I'm bossy. We know she's got mobility problems that she's in denial about so we're not walking far. According to my garmin watch which is accurate, we've done 3,500 steps in total today. We discuss each morning what to do, she says that's all fine, then when we get to where we are going there is face pulling, we ask if we're walking too far, she says no, then she starts doing this odd walk with her arms out and not bending her knees (she looks like a penguin and even my husband has noticed which is unusual) which is a cue that she wants to go back to the car even if we've just asked her that and she's said no, we ask her if she's warm enough, she says she's fine then complains to complete strangers how cold she is. She has developed an inability to open the car door, (it's no heavier than the door in her car) we have to do this for her, she just sits in the car waiting for us to do this, if we park up somewhere as we've discussed and agreed to go there, we get a surprised ' oh are we getting out again' comment. She'll stand in a doorway of a shop and get snappy when it's gently pointed out she's blocking it, she's randomly told me I was getting angry with her today when she offered to feed the dogs and I said ' don't worry, we'll feed them later as we're going to the pub for a roast dinner and I'm sure we'll give them some roast scraps' she then said ' look what you made me do by being angry with me' as she couldn't get her arm in her coat sleeve even though I was holding it up for her and I was in the wrong for offering drive to the pub as she is 'quite capable of walking' even though a few moments before she was saying tiring how walking was. we've got 4 more days and I'm running out of patience

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RosaWaiting · 29/04/2019 00:54

sorry this will be short as I really must go to bed...

there's a general Elderly Parents chat, lots of posters who might advise

but I'm wondering - is this an unusual level of confusion? Could she have a UTI?

also, could it be that she didn't want to go away but didn't feel able to say so?

Decoding the madness can be a big task, I know.

Crunched · 29/04/2019 01:22

Just got back from a short break with MIL and lots of this sounds familiar.
My MIL refuses to accept she has a hearing problem so I got lots of inappropriate laughs when she assumed I was telling her something lighthearted (I wasn’t).
When asked where she wanted to eat insisted she would be happy anywhere and would then announce that there was nothing she fancied on the menu.
Walking is slow and she will quickly become short of breath but tells her DS (my DH) to stop offering his arm as she is “not old yet”.She is 88.
I could go on...
Like you, my MIL has a busy social life at home, still driving and I presume her similarly aged friends can’t hear her,so don’t mind her telling the same stories over and over again.
I think she may get aches and pains that make her a bit crotchety but she tries to hide it from us because she always has ongoing health issues which we are involved in logistically.
I’m feeling a bit emotional about it though. We took her to the same place a little under two years ago and the physical change when I looked at the photos from back then were quite clear to see. It is sad to see our nearest and dearest deteriorating and I feel bad that I was short with her a couple of times while we were away.
Grit your teeth! You are doing a good thing.

Bookworm4 · 29/04/2019 01:30

I think elderly persons realise they are forgetting things but rather than admit it they blame or get annoyed at others. Our GP can be like this, he can be accusatory and say things have happened that didn't, don't get me started on the deafness 🙄

Decormad38 · 29/04/2019 01:59

She is in her 80s. You obviously do a great deal to help but she is going to feel tired. She is going to ache and her appetite will not be the same as yours. She’s already exceeded the average life expectancy. Give her some slack.

MereDintofPandiculation · 29/04/2019 10:30

I have two thought from this:

  1. We do an awful lot of thinking for Dad, as if he were a toddler - making sure that anywhere we eat has something that he can eat, for example. But while infuriating in his own way, he's determined not to be a burden, so we're not getting any of the silliness you describe

  2. My mother used to do the passive-aggressive stuff you describe - insist she's perfectly OK then make it clear that she isn't, as if you should have known without asking her. I think it was an inward rage at how her life was being curtailed by her illness, and that she had no-one other than us to take it out on. I can feel sympathy now, but, my goodness, it was hard to live with at the time!

robynadair · 29/04/2019 10:36

@RosaWaiting thanks for that, I'll pop over to that board. I don't think it's a UTI, I was a nurse for 18 years and then had a career change. I think that she may be having tiny bleeds or TIAs (hence the falls which seem to be caused by a mini black out) as a result of her cardiovascular issues. I wondered about the holiday as well but she loves a holiday, this is her third this year with others booked including a long weekend in London with her siblings where she insisted on going up in her own on the train. She's also been talking and asking about this years holiday before we even booked it. I suspect she behaves differently with me and becomes more childlike but that's a while different issue.

@Crunched thank you for your kind words. It's difficult isn't it, I also feel really emotional about it and I'm also sad at her deterioration

@Bookworm4 thank you, I think that's the case with mum as well combined with the fact that that although she's been and is a lovely and super mum, she's always struggled with any perceived criticism which includes anyone with a different point of view to hers. She's always taken that as a personal slight so I think that exacerbates things when she cant hear or forgets.

@Decormad38 I know she has aches, pains and get tired. I'm frustrated with my inability to get it right and her inconsistency. I try not to smother her as that would be irritating but when I pick up her non verbal cues that she's tired or uncomfortable and suggest we sit down she snaps at me but then later complains to me or to complete strangers that she was tired at that point. Even when we went to a coffee shop yesterday as I was desperate for the loo she snapped that she hoped we weren't in the coffee shop on her behalf. I don't understand your comment about her appetite as I made no comment about it in my post. Her appetite is very healthy, she eats more than me, three meals yesterday with three courses at dinner and a cake mid afternoon! I think I'm cutting her a lot of slack and coming on her was part of that, to give me a safe place to vent and to stop me snapping at her which I've managed not to do so far. She's already started today by criticising what I'm wearing. I'm in old visibly mended Asda jeans, a 5 year old faded white stuff tunic top, Skechers and unwashed hair scraped up in a crocodile clip but apparently I'm dressed up and didn't tell her to dress up. She's now said the same to my husband whose in jeans and a polo top..... we've just smiled and says she looks lovely as ironically she is dressed up in a pretty dress!

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RosaWaiting · 29/04/2019 10:45

OP sorry to say, but from your update I wonder if she gets some enjoyment out of being contrary?

My father was a bit like that in his last few years - he would have been worse if any of us had indulged it but he actually pissed off his friends and family so he stopped. It was weird - possibly an attention seeking thing, which would stop short if anyone suggested he might need a doctor visit.

btw you mentioned in your OP that your mum will be having surgery later? I mention it because potentially you could be dealing with this for a long time. If you think she's acting up in front of you, like the giant toddler, then I think you need to nip it in the bud.

robynadair · 29/04/2019 10:59

@RosaWaiting thank you, very helpful and insightful. My friend, who is still a nurse witnessed some of my mums behaviour a few weeks ago and said the same to me, completely unprompted. She was quite surprised at mums behaviour. I think attention seeking is an aspect of it, particularly since Dad has gone as he absolutely doted on her. She could do no wrong In his eyes even when she was clearly in the wrong! You're right, I need to think of a handling strategy as she's facing quite major cardiac surgery and will be staying with us for a while. Thanks again

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RosaWaiting · 29/04/2019 11:02

I think one reason dad packed in his behaviour is he realised that if mum died before him, he would be alone.

I think sometimes people lose perspective a bit because it's an elderly person, so it might be worth actually asking "why are you being such a nuisance" and "do you realise if this carries on, we won't be able to help you". Etc. You do need to actually mean that last part though.

robynadair · 29/04/2019 11:08

@RosaWaiting I had a long chat with my DH and as she seems to respond better to him, and behaves differently to him, she is much more 'adult' with him, he's going try asking whether she's tired, wants to sit down etc rather than me. As he didn't really notice these things, I'll subtly prompt him to ask! Onwards and upwards. Thanks for your support, it's nice to know I'm not alone or being totally unreasonable Smile

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Mascarponeandwine · 29/04/2019 22:12

Some of your story reminds me of my late mother, one perceived slight and the childlike behaviour would rear it’s head (sulking, snapping, the ‘looks’ that came in my direction).

Try to think of this as not a holiday for you. A change of scene yes, but not a holiday. Are you able to have an actual holiday any time soon?

Bit of old age cognitive decline, mixed with living on her own and craving interaction, and you end up with a demanding childlike irrational non-communicative toddler.

Not sure what to advise as whatever you do is likely to be countered by a childish response. eg if you try to be more firm about her behaviour you’ll be called bossy or cruel etc etc. Are you able to make this the last holiday with her? I think you’ve done your bit and there’s no guilt in saying this doesn’t work any more.

Sorry couldn’t be more help

robynadair · 30/04/2019 10:23

@Mascarponeandwine thank you, wise words. We've brought the holiday forward this year ( we usually take her away in early Sept just after the schools have gone back) as we've been saving up for and bought a camper van which will be delivered in a few weeks. So we're planning to be away for most weekends in the summer which mum knows about and is happy with as she is always busy at the weekends particularly with church activities - she's involved with getting the church ready for weddings as well as attending services. She's very religious and I'm not at all but the church has been a great solace and source of company for her. We've also booked a couple of weeks in a campsite in Aug. She won't expect to be taken away again until next year and we'll see how she is and may compromise on a weekend away. I've found talking on here very helpful so thx to everyone and I've also gone out for an early 5k Run today and yesterday which always helps me manage stress and the emotions attached to seeing my lovely mum change so much

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NorthEndGal · 30/04/2019 10:33

I just wanted to say it's lovely to read about someone who cares so much about their mum'.
I hope things get easierFlowers

robynadair · 30/04/2019 12:18

@NorthEndGal thank you so much for your kind worlds. I really appreciate them as I've been feeling very guilty that I feel frustrated with her. She's in much better form today so off to a bluebell walk that had good access for those with mobility issues and lots of seats along the short flat walk. Bluebell are always uplifting. Thanks again Smile

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NorthEndGal · 30/04/2019 12:23

I'm glad to hear it, enjoy your day together! And take a second to tell her you like that sort of time with her. She will be glad of it tooFlowers

TurnUPtheheat12 · 30/04/2019 13:26

Your DM seems to have an active social & family life & enjoys being out & about
Please enjoy your time together !
I've seen friends & relatives have sudden illnesses & poor health
These small niggles that you are experiencing are nothing to poor health - which I expect you are aware of, if you were a nurse

RosaWaiting · 01/05/2019 15:57

"Are you able to make this the last holiday with her? I think you’ve done your bit and there’s no guilt in saying this doesn’t work any more."

agree with this. hope the bluebell walk was good.

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