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Elderly parents

Long ... but just needing some advice, support and perspective.

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mummyhaschangedhername · 25/11/2018 10:47

Hi all, ok so not my parents but my grandparents. So sorry for the Novel.

My grandparents are both in their mid 90s and still living in their home. All was going ok-ish until a few months ago when my Nana got some mild cellulitis and became bed bound. She went into hospital as they thought a blood clot where she was mobilising but the second she came out she refused to move again. Que my 65 year old dad having to carry her places and when things didn’t improve social services set up carers, aids, bed etc ... however she became extremely demanding. To seemed to want to make things as difficult as possible for others. She refused to move, refused to use the “nappy” style pads, so wet the bed several times a day, would call up everyone, including family, neighbours or asking the gardener, cleaners to carry her to the toilet or use the bedpan.

Family wise there is my auntie and mother and their husbands, my mother is severely disabled and uses an electric wheelchair when out, her spine is very deformed and crumbing, her bones break very easily (she broke 3 vertebrae just moving some bags), she has significant autoimmune problems (disease like lupus etc), so she’s not well, my dad is still in work as he can’t afford to retire, he’s very tired and very stressed (funding looks like it’s running out at work, so he’s trying to magic up money to keep that going). My auntie also has heath struggles I think she has ME/fibromyalgia, she has a issue with her foot from an accident and feel over a year ago, but still despite surgery to her hands hadn’t recovered, she is still working although currently off sick, and my uncle works full time. So they all struggle for various reasons.

My Nana will just demand constantly, she acquired a bell and would sit there ringing it for everything. My grandfather was rushed off his feet and given if someone was there with her she would demand him. All stupid things, can you bring that closer, can I get another drink, more salt, when I counted up the amount of things in one meal it was over 10 demands, the fork wasn’t the right one, she wanted another bit of kitchen roll (one wasn’t enough and she had tissues). She is constantly eating too, and will constant call someone I’m saying she has not eaten or drank all day. She calls my mum about 30 times a day and she goes up there about 5 times a day, certainly no less, my father is up there 3 times a day minimum.

For context,
630am - my dad goes in, opens up,checks in on them and helps my grandfather with things he needs
7am -Carers come and give her cereal,
8am - my mum makes her fried egg and toast,
9am - another carer makes tea and bread and butter
1030/11 - neighbours daughter goes in and makes them tea and cake and stays
1130 their lunch gets delivered, they are immovable in this, they have always had their booked meal at 1130. The neighbours Daughter now stays for then and brings them their meal and washes up. She does anything needed in this time.
*by this time my mum will have been called up for at least one “emergency”.
1230ish - carer comes, gives them second lunch usually a sandwich, tea, cake, soup, sort of thing.
1/130 pm another carers comes, often my nana will have paid someone to bring her chips, rissole or something from somewhere.
3pm - my mum goes up, makes them tea, soup, cake, jelly or whatever they want at that point.
4pm - carers (this is new, officially to make their supper)
430 - neighbour comes home, gives them tea, does any washing they need, gives them something else to eat, often Bread or a Welsh cake etc.
*mum will get called up again usually by now.
630 pm - neighbours husband calls in makes them supper, team baked Goods etc.
#Around this time my dad comes on way home from work, he finishes all sorts of times so it’s not predictable but will call in even if he has to go back to work.
7PM - carers feed then soup, tea, often get chips etc and sort them out for bed.
8pm - neighbours go in and “tuck them in”
9pm - my Dad goes in and locks up and checks everything.
*my mum will have had to visit again in the evening.

On top of this- the neighbour referred to is one house, she will call others throughout the day saying she’s not seen anyone all day, and she’s needing a drink, food, wee. Literally will call any of them.
My auntie and uncle are back and forth throughout the week too, one day this week my uncle was there 5 times in one day too.
She has cleaners who officially come twice a week but she has them do things a lot more than that, calls them up saying she’s needing a cup of tea.
Gardener the same, he officially comes once a week but she will call him up and send him to buy her things.
There are always people turning up with shopping she’s sent them for.
The neighbours daughter is getting over 10 calls a day from her now.

I tend to just call in rather than make arrangements as I have 4 children, two with disabilities, and I do unpaid work at the school which I’m committed to, but really I’m just angry at this situation, frustrated, Upset etc. My mother is really failing health wise, it’s taken a massive toll. Mental heath wise both my parents are exhausted my auntie has has a mini break down and very stressed too. Even when I step on it doesn’t stop the burden on anyone else as they just continue making demands. I can literally walk out and next thing I see mum mum arrive as they have called her saying they need someone and I haven’t closed the gate yet (we all live doors away from each other).

Plus all night, so my parents get calls every night in the middle of the night with “emergencies”

After a few weeks despite everyone running around he looked dreadful, exhausted and swollen. He has cellulitis all over, he was very swollen and diagnosed as in severe heart failure and kidney failure. He has since gone done hill very quickly, he no longer knows what’s going on, he gets very very confused, he strips off naked and wees in different places. Mostly he just sleeps, he doesn’t eat well and it’s just so difficult seeing him like that.

The demands keep getting greater and the problems bigger. There is thousands missing, they stored money in a box which is now near empty. She is obsessed with the money and hides it places and tells people she has no money. She told everyone on Monday my mother (who collected the money) gave it all to my grandfather and left her with nothing. For context she has £470 and he had £300. She denied this, she called all the neighbours, cares, cleaner, gardener and told them this. People went in to look for the money and couldn’t find it. Next day it was all found (so she’s clearly able to move out of bed) and then instantly (they literally went to make her tea and it was gone) lost £50 of it which they found on the other side of her bedroom.

This week she has called the police twice, when they answer she says wrong number, she has threatened to call police and say cares, family etc are abusing her if they don’t make her demands, she has accused people of hurting her, she has bitten my auntie, she’s pulled a radiator off the wall, she’s called the GP telling them my mother stole all her medications and she told everyone she was going to kill herself and took a mouthful of pills.

Doctors and social worker been out several times, suggest respite they agree to their faces and the minute they leaves they say no. I just don’t understand how they can be deemed to have mental capacity to make these decisions. We have shown call records, played the voice mails which are dramatic and lies. Carers are leaving in tears so that must end recorded somewhere. They refuse care but clearly this can’t go on?

Any advice? I know I sound selfish, I do go in as much as I can but refuse to be dragged into going several times a day like everyone else. I frankly have enough on my plate. If it meant taking the toll off my mother I gladly would, but it doesn't, it just another person added to the rota and more tea (plus I make awful tea so she doesn't like me doing it anyway 😂)

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HoleyCoMoley · 25/11/2018 14:20

That sounds awful, I would contact adult social services safeguarding team and tell them everything you've told us. I would advise neighbours cleaner, gardener to stop taking her calls and cancel any arrangements they have with her, is it your grandad who has become confused and swollen, I would call for an ambulance if he's that bad, he could be taken into hospital to get the help he needs and social services and the Dr will need to sort grandma situation out. The GP needs to urgently review her mental state if she's accusing people and biting people, that's not normal. I'm surprised the carers have not spoken to social services about this and raised a cause for concern.

HollowTalk · 25/11/2018 14:24

They both need to be in residential care, OP. Your poor parents are really suffering and their health will be massively affected if this goes on too much longer.

And how much does she eat??? She seems to be eating all day long!

mummyhaschangedhername · 25/11/2018 15:17

Thanks both!

We have done all that.

My grandparents have refused residential care. Social services and GP been out but there was no feedback to us other than respite which they immediately refused after they left. That's why I'm so frustrated as they are not displaying rationale behaviour yet the professionals seem to have decided they are of sound mind.

They pay cleaners, gardener extras for all the running around so they very much seem to have been "bought" and will go when asked. They do report back to us, but it's incredibly frustrating!

He's not swollen now, sorry was writing it in my phone so it all got a bit confused! He is in heart failure and kidney failure but he's doing ok-ish!

As for the food! Yes exactly, she is eating almost every hour of the day! I think she always used to graze but to expect it to this level is ridiculous. She doesn't finish most things, but she orders a massive dinner with extras that she never even opens every single day! I think it's more then obsession with buying and having things.

If they need anything they call up everyone and ask so they end up with like 12 bulbs or whatever it is!

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HoleyCoMoley · 25/11/2018 15:23

It does sound frustrating, if the cleaners and gardeners are happy being paid to do extra then they shouldnt be reporting back to you, its their choice to do these things. I would strongly advise the neighbours to stop though, its not fair that the neighbours daughter is getting calls, I wouldnt have given out my number. No easy answers but hope you get something sorted out for your own sakes. The carers should be reporting all their concerns back to their manager who could put in a cause for concern to social services and say that they don't feel it is safe for the carers to continue.

vdbfamily · 25/11/2018 15:35

Do they have the resources to afford live in care? Unfortunately the family all need to learn to say NO. See if there is a carer support type organisation near you as your parents and grandfather sound like they need that urgently. She sounds like she lacks capacity to understand her care needs but this needs to be formally assessed . Sounds a complete nightmare but people need to stop running around after her.

mummyhaschangedhername · 25/11/2018 15:56

Exactly! I've begged my mum in tears to stop! But she doesn't! I've told her my kids will miss out on their mana because she will be dead before my grandparents at this rate but despite promises she's back up there as soon as she calls.

They neighbours quit for all of almost a full day last week. After the money thing! She told them she never wanted to see them again but again as soon as she calls they are back!

My dad has been there all day since 6 other than 2 hours this morning where he went to church for an hour and he just stopped for lunch. In the time he came down for lunch the neighbours have called and said she called them in as she wet the bed!

Neighbours daughter is being paid now.

They don't seem to have any savings anymore, they would have to use the house for payment and they would lose some of the pension and disability money. Which I think is the big issue.

Social worker won't speak to my mum as it's my aunt that's named on the paperwork but my aunt is a bit hot an cold as she's struggling with the stress if it all and she backs away for days or weeks at a time. She's not been there since she got bit in Friday!

I just don't get why they think they are ok. We had the neighbours daughter come in at the meeting with voice mails, plus telling them about her over dose attempt etc. I just don't get it!

Social worker did find a double room for them that was respite but could be long term if they like it in one of the best care homes which is walking distance away and they apparently turned it down and refused to cooperates with the OT!

It's just madness!

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vdbfamily · 25/11/2018 17:11

This is why finding Carer Support for your parents is crucial. Someone outside of the family needs to give them permission to say no. Of course your grandparents will not move if everyone is at their beck and call but if your man has to sit for 4 hours in a wet bed between visits from carers she may realise she needs residential care. At present everyone is enabling her to stay at home. It is hard from a Christian perspective as we are taught to honour our father and mother. But quite honestly, if there are staff managing the personal care etc, your grandparents, in a nice residential setting, would be able to enjoy visits from family rather than have sheets changed/ bottom wiped etc. If she cannot get through a night safely without phoning for help, she needs to be in care.

vdbfamily · 25/11/2018 17:15

I have just reread what they are eating in a day. Is your gran enormous? Has she got dementia? It sounds like she forgets she has eaten.

HoleyCoMoley · 25/11/2018 17:28

As long as everyone continues to run around them then nothing can change, it won't be until there is a crisis that social services will intervene. Why are people allowing this to continue then complaining about it. Easy for me to say but I'd let them get on with it and not get involved anymore.

Mishappening · 25/11/2018 17:34

Do make sure that SS haev done a Carer's Assessment on her husband.

mummyhaschangedhername · 25/11/2018 23:30

He's not enormous no, she doesn't usually finish the food, she just demands it. Often I go and the food is still there, I was there for hours today as my husband was fixing the radiator (thankfully that's his job). She has french stick with fish paste and she didn't eat one bite. My dad says he puts three large food waste boxes out each week. I think it's just her excuse.

I totally agree about enabling them. It's what I have said and why I refuse to be involved other than the odd emergency and popping in to say hi, but as for getting involved, it's not helpful.

My mum is very religious so your probably right that's a big factor, although no idea what the neighbours reasons are. They are very very kind and good to them, more so than I would be to a neighbour who makes the sorts of demands she does, so I genuinely find it weird there are so many people helping, I mean the neighbours are been there all for decades so I suppose that's part of it.

I guess I just assumed with her behaviour that social services would have forced them into respite and at the very least that would maybe have a calming effect on the amount of times she eats, I don't know, wishful thinking perhaps. But either way, they have deemed them mentally sound.

Although, after she bit my auntie they did prescribe diazepam which has helped a little.

Thank you all for the support and advice. My mum did stop on Tuesday morning after the money thing and didn't go back until Wednesday night, but she just gets others going more, and then my mum feels guilty and then she is sucked right back in. I find it hard though, it's my mum, and she's really damaging herself. I know it's her mum, but like others have said, my grandparents are fine, carers are in a lot, so they will not stave and I'm not saying they shouldn't go, but once a day it's surely adequate? It's just convincing mum that's the case.

Thanks again everyone.

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mummyhaschangedhername · 28/11/2018 17:14

Well lasts night my grandfather fell and his breathing was very strange and irregular. My mum called the GP, who she has been calling for days, who called an ambulance. Ambulance came, said he was fine, said not to call again, said they recorded it so if she tried to call again they would refuse.

Well she was called up at 530 again as he has fallen again.
Then left house open as mum as they usually open up at 6. 7am carers arrived and he had passes away.

He's been a crazy day, mum nana has gone form screaming at everyone paying attention to a dead man to crying she's going to kill herself, thankfully all recorded by the nurse.

Lots of mixed emotions today, been a crap day, I've been there for 8 hours to give everyone else a break and dealt with most of the stuff I could deal with so far, no idea what will happen now. None of us can stay over night tonight (my husband is working on call so I can't leave the kids). So not sure what will happen now.

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Raglansleeve · 28/11/2018 17:22

Your poor grandfather, so sorry it has ended like this. Your grandmother really should be in a care home now, for everyone's sake.

mummyhaschangedhername · 28/11/2018 17:36

Thank you.

I agree. The nurse told her that today, she said she will kill herself if they do that. But then she said she's going to do that anyway. They nurse said they could have a meeting and decide that for her if she is saying things like this, so we will see what happens. It would be the best for her given the way she is. She was fine enough for me, but I can't be there for 8 hours a day!

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Fortysix · 28/11/2018 20:03

I am so sorry. Hopefully you all get a little space to let the events of the last few chaotic weeks filter through. I would be suggesting to the gp your nana got a sedative to help her ( and everyone else) face the challenge of the next few days. I think also that your nana will have her case escalated to the priority list of social worker. Wishing you well.

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