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MIL abroad...AIBU to not want to bail her out?

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Grace1972 · 11/09/2018 22:23

My DH, an only child, was neglected by his single parent mother when he grew up in the USA. She put work before him and he was left for hours on his own at home with no food. She borrowed his college fund money, promising she would pay it back and when he was college age and asked for it told him he should be independent and that she didn’t have it to give him.

She is terrible with money and has always struggled with debt even when she has had extremely well paid jobs.

She didn’t wash his clothes and by age 10 he had to figure out how to do it for himself because his teacher told him he was smelly.

Despite DH being in the U.K. for over 10 years (to be with me) MIL has never visited even though DH has told her it would mean so much to him. Her health means that now she would not be able to fly although there is talk now of her maybe getting a boat over and her sister is encouraging her to move over to live with us?! Not sure that can happen as immigration laws very tough.

MIL is morbidly obese and sadly does nothing to help herself. She is intelligent so it’s not down to ignorance. Her health is deteriorating and she takes
no responsibility for her own health or wellbeing.

She never buys him birthday presents or even a card but has sometimes hinted that she expects a very expensive birthday present (hundred of pounds). She seems to sulk at most gifts we have sent her even though we have spent a lot of time and effort even when we haven’t been able to afford much. A few years ago it was no card as usual but she did send an email on his birthday requesting some money as she hadn’t saved for her taxes that year. We didn’t have spare funds and he managed to avoid giving a straight answer and eventually she apparently found a way to pay it.

We are not wealthy at all. We work very hard and make sacrifices to ensure our three kids (who DH is step parent to) have some good experiences and some financial support from us. 2 are now Uni age.

MIL has no pension or healthcare provisions (vital in the US) and is hoping for a chunk of money from her mother when she dies to bail her out. We fear that this is a pipe dream and that there is hardly any money to be inherited and what little there is will be distributed between six siblings. When MIL dies she will be leaving nothing but debts.

The dilemma is, we are worried that she has an expectation that we will bail her out when it comes to the time that she can no longer work given her sense of entitlement. This might be quite soon given her immobility due to being overweight. She can no longer do grocery shopping and struggles to reach the mail box. She works from home but has cut down to part time as she struggles even with sitting at her computer.

Due to being financially stretched for years and putting my kids first I have only just started saving into a pension at age 46 and am worried about funding for my own old age. I do not expect or want my kids to bail me out so will be focusing on saving as much as I can in order to be self sufficient so as soon as the kids have all left home I will increase my payments.

Neither of us feel like bailing MIL out when she refuses to take any responsibility for setting aside contingency money or even thinking about a pension even though she is in her early 60’s. Given her lack of interest in him for his entire life and her lack of support of any description we don’t know if it’s appropriate to jeopardise our financial security. I’m petrified she might expect to be able to move in with us and support her physically and financially for the rest of her life. She is difficult to be in a room with for half a day let alone indefinitely.

I don’t know if I come across as being a totally selfish b*t#h or not though...my own mother abandoned me and DH’s was absent so we haven’t had much luck with parents. My Dad, for his faults, has been financially supportive to us at times and does not have expectations or any sense of entitlement thankfully!

Is it expected that we care for parents who barely cared for us?

Soz for essay...

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PurpleWithRed · 11/09/2018 22:28

Absolutely not. Although you may have a tough time convincing her - and possibly DH - of that. But at least she’s on a different continent. She would have no entitlement to healthcare or social care over here (my understanding).

AwdBovril · 11/09/2018 22:28

Well she sounds a real peach. She should be independent & your DH doesn't have to give her any money. Isn't that her philosophy on family finances?

Grace1972 · 11/09/2018 22:33

Thank you for your words. As it happens, DH does not want to bail her out either. He feels a lot of hurt about her neglect and her continued self-absorption. My battle is with my own sense of obligation, possibly stemming from societal expectations.

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Grace1972 · 11/09/2018 22:34

Good point. Yes I think that is a reasonable and succinct stance!

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cheesefield · 11/09/2018 22:35

No fucking way.

Tell her you do not have any funds available.

And ffs do not let her move in with you.

notapizzaeater · 11/09/2018 22:41

Absolutely no way are you responsible. She does realise she wouldn't be entitled to anything here

CloudCaptain · 11/09/2018 22:43

Any requests for money should be met with "she should be independant and you don't have any to give her". Throw that one back at her. Also because you actually don't. I'd be ghosting her tbh. Or just flat out tell her "look Mil, we won't be able to financially support you in any capacity now or in the future".
Your dh may benefit from some counselling or therapy.
Good luck

JiltedJohnsJulie · 11/09/2018 22:52

I can understand that you feel there may be societal expectation but you cannot jeopardise you financial status, relationships with your own family and mental health for this woman especially when she has shown so little concern for your DH.

If anyone mentions her coming over again, I think you need to make it clear that you have no room and she’ll have to put herself up in a hotel. She might change her mind about coming over when she realises she can’t just move straight in.

RabbitsAreTasty · 11/09/2018 22:52

Why are you and he even in contact with her at all? Is he in the FOG?

Cut her off completely in every way.

JiltedJohnsJulie · 11/09/2018 22:58

Your dh may benefit from some counselling or therapy forgot to add that bit onto my post Smile

We’ve had a situation recently with my “D”M expecting care from me when she’s given very little to me over the years. It does cause a conflict but I’ve had to be very clear that I’m not able to be a Carer for her and I do feel much better for it. I’ve had some counselling too.

And actually, now she knows the situation and she can’t get away with all the shit she’s tried over the years, we actually get on a bit better.

Grace1972 · 11/09/2018 23:04

RabbitsAreTasty; she isn’t horrible
or abusive. They talk on the phone and she can be interesting. I struggle to identify with her as a mother as her lack of interest and care is so alien to the way I choose to parent but she isn’t abusive like my mother was. That’s not much to compare with though...My 18 yr old said yesterday ‘Doing nothing is not much better than doing bad things’!

Her sister’s partner has stayed with us twice (due to being over in the UK on business). He is the only relative of DH to have visited. He stayed this weekend which in part has induced my panic. He is pushing for her to come and visit and stay for a couple of months. He said he’d accompany her on the boat trip. He knows we have a, albeit tiny, spare room. Mind you she can’t make it upstairs so not sure how that would work. And we don’t have a downstairs loo. Anyway a) he doesn’t know how neglectful she was and b) he said that they might have to have her move in with them when she gets too infirm so I reckon they don’t really want that and hoping that DH will rescue her hence piling on the guilt.

Really appreciative of the support on here btw. Posted out of exasperation and glad I did.

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RabbitsAreTasty · 11/09/2018 23:08

I wonder if your own abusive background makes it difficult for you to recognise other less obvious forms of abuse.

I find it hard to reconcile a person so selfish back then with one who is lovely now. It isn't likely.

JiltedJohnsJulie · 11/09/2018 23:15

Well she simp,y can’t stay with you can she due the the bedroom and loo situation and you’re a bit skint so just make it really plain if it’s mentioned again that she has to put herself up in an hotel.

She also needs to ensure that she gets travel insurance as the NHS isn’t free for USA nationals. I think you need to be quite frank with her on both of these things.

JiltedJohnsJulie · 11/09/2018 23:16

Sorry for the typos and lack of grammar. I really do need to go to bed Thanks

Grace1972 · 11/09/2018 23:28

RabbitsAreTasty; yes very astute, I have some awareness of my own ‘blindspot’ in this respect. I’m almost embarrassed to say that I am a therapist and as I type this I know that I would ask the same as you asked of a client in my situation...I will explore further with a bout of therapy for myself I think and discuss with clinical supervisor. DH is seeing a therapist next week.

JiltedJohnsJulie Great points. Sleep well :)

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Singlenotsingle · 11/09/2018 23:42

I can quite understand why the sister and her partner are keen for your DH's mother to come over here. They're probably worried that she's going to move in with them. You'll just have to say "no" even if it looks like you're the bad guy. Can't they encourage her to start looking after herself, lose weight etc?

justilou1 · 11/09/2018 23:50

Nooooooo!
They are trying to get rid of her because they don’t want the burden of looking after her.
It is unlikely that she would be allowed to stay even if she was well enough to visit. Her obesity and secondary health issues would rule out any visas.
Her parasitic nature has not changed.
She can clearly afford to eat - a lot. Food is not as cheap as it once was in America. If she can not get to the post box, someone is delivering it. This is not free either. This is where the money is going. All this is causing medical problems which is costing more money and she is very unlikely to be working or to be insured. In America it costs a LOT to access medical help. I imagine this is something your BIL & SIL are thinking about when they are fantasizing about posting your MIL onto a boat, as I imagine that they have been covering for her for years too. The NHS is not going to be covering her costs either.
If she is as morbidly obese as you describe, she is not likely live to a vernold age.

justilou1 · 11/09/2018 23:50

*very old

RabbitsAreTasty · 11/09/2018 23:51

It is wonderfully liberating if you can learn to live happily whilst knowing that others openly disapprove of you. Being the bad guy can be very very good.

LeftRightCentre · 11/09/2018 23:59

This is actually quite simple. Due to immigration laws, there is ZERO way she can ever move over here. Just none. She'd have to be very, very, very wealthy to do this. Don't fall for the 'couple of months' line and ignore all these hints or boat shit from her sister or her partner. Distance is your friend here! Every time it's brought up, you just say no, can't do that. And tbh, tell them you're moving! Downsizing to a smaller place for financial reasons. He tries to visit, tell him you're out of town that weekend. Any requests for money and again, the truth: we have none to spare for you. 'She may have to move in with us.' 'Well, she's unable to move here due to immigration restrictions. I'm afraid she will have to sort something out. Get over to the Stately Homes thread and learn how to be free of FOG - fear, obligation and guilt.

LeftRightCentre · 12/09/2018 00:04

He is pushing for her to come and visit and stay for a couple of months. He said he’d accompany her on the boat trip. He knows we have a, albeit tiny, spare room.

'No, that won't work for us. We've had to put the house on the market to move. We need to downsize.' 'Nice try. No. She can't stay for a couple of months. She can't get to the toilet here and she won't be let in with her medical problems.' 'I need some money.' 'Sorry, we don't have any spare.'

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