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Elderly parents

How much do your parents pay for carer visits?

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LostInLeics · 15/05/2018 21:40

My elderly Mum is being discharged home from hospital next week after a lengthy recovery from sepsis which has caused her Multiple Sclerosis to deteriorate to the point where she is pretty much immobile and incontinent. She will need personal care for everything from getting in and out of bed, washing, dressing, toileting, you name it.

The plan is for her to have two carers coming in four times a day, and this has been priced at £510 per week. She will be self funding. Does this sound reasonable or should we "shop around"? The priority is to get the carers in place so she can come home, and we'll worry about the fine details later.

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thesandwich · 15/05/2018 22:07

That does not sound unreasonable- but has she been assessed for nhs contribution to nursing care? Worth contacting age uk for advice. It is worth checking out reviews etc on CQC website ... providers vary. Some nhs trusts fund 6 weeks rehab too. Good luck.

LostInLeics · 16/05/2018 10:50

Thanks, thesandwich, that's useful to know. She's spent the last couple of months in a specialist NHS neurological rehab unit, doing physiotherapy and occupational health rehab, and has been assessed as not needing any further nursing care. She and my Dad own their adapted bungalow outright, and have private pensions and substantial savings, so although they're not very happy about having to pay for care, I think its unlikely they'll get any further help. She's already had a lot of equipment such as ramps and hoists provided for free from Age UK.

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CMOTDibbler · 16/05/2018 12:56

£510 for 4 visits a day, 7 days a week sounds very reasonable tbh. My parents pay £13 a hour for their carer, but I think it's £17 an hour for the agency carers when we've had to use them. I'm not sure how much it would be for 2 carers a visit, but I presume it would be double - and not exactly halve for half hour visits as they have the same amount of travel time between calls

LostInLeics · 16/05/2018 14:31

Thanks CMOT. I'm not sure how long the visits are supposed to be - I'll need to check. My Dad will be able to deal with meals, and they also have a cleaner who comes in twice a week, so the carers will "only" (Ha!) need to do the purely personal care aspects.

Does your parents' carer look after both of them? I can see a situation not too far in the future where my Dad will start to need help as well, so I'm wondering how it works if both partners in a couple are in need of personal care.

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CMOTDibbler · 16/05/2018 15:31

Yes, mum and dad have a lovely lady who is an independant carer, so she deals with both of them. Dad says she's his second wife as she nags him about cutting his hair, chucks out his old clothes, gives him shopping lists (he's a bit of a food hoarder) as well as more conventional carer things.
She also organised other people to take mum out (dad is too frail to push her in a wheelchair, and she can't use a mobility scooter), cleaners, a gardener and a handyman - she's worth her weight in gold!

mirren3 · 16/05/2018 15:39

Wow, here in Scotland all personal care is free. We have people on CP's where it is just meals and meds prompts and all that is free too.

Mrsjones17 · 19/05/2018 19:36

How do you find idependant carers please?

CMOTDibbler · 19/05/2018 21:34

Word of mouth - we found mums via the district nurses who couldn't give me names but said that they could 'ask around' which led to a call later that day. But try asking at church, elderly friends, ask friends to ask their parents, support groups - anyone who might know of someone doing this kind of work

Needmoresleep · 20/05/2018 12:31

I employ directly as well and pay £15ph. I could pay less but I wanted to motivate/reward the carer and so felt she should have the agency share.

It has been a lot of work though. Checking paperwork (the sheltered housing also need to see it for their insurance as she is on their premises) insurance, PAYE and NI, NEST pension, contract and Job Description, grieveance procedures etc. Don't start on European Working Time Directive. I have felt as if I have become a mini personnel department.

Worth it as the carer has been with her three years and has contributed to her, and my, welfare.

HMRC are clamping down on smaller employers. It think the threshold is around 13 hours a week working for a single person. There is probably a case to say someone is self-employed it they laregly set their own hours and tasks. My accountant warned against it, but the lawyer said accountants always do, Lawyers argue against employment, as there is lots of scope for things to go wrong. In the end the carer wanted it on the level (even though I offered to pay for my accountant to do the self employment stuff). And I like the idea that should my mother die or move to a home, I can pay the carer proper redundancy without getting into the minefield that is a POA's ability to make gifts and the IHT implications.

That said I am helped by the fact my mother could afford to cope with an employment claim, and can afford to pay redundancy. Plus though I don't like admin, I prefer it to personal care (if my mother would allow it) or to trying to manage agency carers long distance.

If anyone is headed down a similar road, I am happy to contribute my new found knowledge and experience.

And ask everyone. A plumber I was using commented that his mum was a carer who was looking for work because the person she had looked after for years had just died. My mums was an agency carer who seemed to have built up a good rapport with my mum.

FurryDogMother · 20/05/2018 12:40

We also have carers coming in 4 x a day (2 of them). We pay £430 a week (after financial assessment by the council) - they pick up anything over that amount, but most weeks it's either £430 or just under. That covers 3/4 hour in the morning, 2 x 15 min calls during the day and 1 x 30 mins in the evening.

PanannyPanoo · 20/05/2018 12:41

Have they got a spare room? Would they consider a live in carer? If she only needs support 4 times a day you could find a live in carer is more cost effective and convenient. Can be a lottery if they come at times that ate suitable. My uncles nught tume carers used to come to help him to bed at any time from 6 onwards. Issue could be she woukd only have one though Why would she need 2 carers? Does she have a hoist?

FurryDogMother · 20/05/2018 12:42

Also, look into applying for Continuing Healthcare - we don't quite qualify (but may do in the future), but if your Mum does, then care is covered.

Eastcoastmost · 20/05/2018 12:58

Why doesn’t she qualify for CHC funding?

Needmoresleep · 20/05/2018 13:01

Wow, here in Scotland all personal care is free.

I would find it outrageous if my mother had free care. She has the money. Why should the state subsidise her. I would prefer that resources were spent on those that need them.

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