P5, P6, P7, P8. What does it all mean?

[StarOfValkyrie]

Many thanks.

LOL, I can see you in 5 years time remembering this and thinking:

'did I really promise wonderful things to a random internet person, who was claiming her SW was fraud and prolly has some serious issues of her own?'

FWIW though you sound like you'd do a brilliant job so I wish you luck (and a thick skin for when you come up against people like me who ask difficult questions).

sorry, my computer is doing strange things. Forget that.

Hey it's all worrying and confusing. Check those 3 scores when you get the profiles through (probably with his report) - if they're less than 5 get yourself straight up the school.

I agree that not knowing names, etc, is worrying. It might be a good idea to arrange a meeting with new Y1 teacher to voice concern, particularly as the YR teachers seem to have taken 'child-led' so literally.

But..... all children are different - some are sociable, some aren't. And it doesn't always signify SN.

Good luck!

Sorry should of said, when I said he has SN, I meant specifically asd. He won't get an end of school report coz I pulled him out at the end of last term.

I'm now trying to find a more suitable placement which is why the wierd data analysis.

I want him working on the usual NC sylabus. He has the ability but he needs a LOT of focussed support with Social Communication.

Sorry too that there is a misunderstanding. He is due to go into Nursery in September, not Yr 1. This data refers to the children already at the school.

Thanks for your help though. Sorry I confused you.

That's OK! Good luck!

BTW children still working on FS profile will still be working on Y1 curriculum.

I realised that you meant asd - are there any other pointers? routine, etc?

How old is your son? Not quite clear! Perhaps he's just got a slightly delayed social development? Has he socialised with other children much?

Some kind of club? Children round to play?

LOL, No I'm quite certain. He has a diagnosis. 2 in fact.

We've been going to on average 8 toddler groups per week since he was born. It's clear as a bell.

Did you say you'd pulled him out of school? You need to see a senco. You need to get useful assessment.

Who did diagnoses?

LOL at this thread - cross-purposes whenever I have seen them!!

So, Star. Your DS is due to start his pre-school year in September, then Reception in 2011. You have been given annonymised data of children in the reception year of a potential school, and wanted to know what the significance of them are. Yes?

This says "FSP 6 (the expected outcome for median performance at the end of Reception)"

So what the school are trying to show you is that lots of children come in on a FSP 5, and leave Year R on FSP 7. As the 'norm' is to leave Year R on FSP 6, they are a very good school

But of course, you know that a very good school for typical children may well have a very different profile than that of a very good school for your DS.

This Document is from my LA, Star. It gives an overview of monitoring pupil progress, so should give you an idea of what the data means.

No offense lou, but I think we've already covered the data bit.

I think star is genuinely concerned that her son may be asd, from her own observations. She needs to make sure that she has support networks to investigate this, and that she has the backing of the school her son is attending.

Thanks lou, that document says pretty much what rolla was saying about KS targets not being predictable from FSP ones.

Makes the whole thing a bit meaningless and frustrating really because I think that they have much lower expectations of my ds than he is capable.

You are right lou, but he starts nursery in september and I can't for the life of me figure out what year this data refers to. It would appear that there is one set for FSP and one set for something else, showing progresson from P5 to P7 (I think this is yr 1 data). However, ALL the data refers to children with asd supposedly.

And the reception data shows that children come in at FSP on a 1, and progress to a 4 in a year!

Right, I'm getting this now. Not so good!

Rolla Thank you for your concern, and for your help with this.

My son was diagnosed first by an NHS paediatrician and then had a second opinion from a NHS multi-disciplinary team that included a paediatrician, an Educational Psychologist, a Speech and Language Therapist and a Special Needs health Visitor.

I'm quite without doubt (actually that isn't strictly true but we'll go with this for now).

However, I do agree that we need a 'useful' assessment. They don't come for the asking though, I've found.

You need to talk to the Senco in the nursery (they should have one) and them try to push for a statement with all those people backing you up. It would be great to get that in place before he gets to school (if needed, of course!)

Push push push works! Parents have to be proactive with SEN. Don't worry if you think everyone thinks you're a pain the arse. He's your child. That's the point.

Thanks Rolla.

Rolla, no offense, but having 'known' Star on MN for a wee while now, I think she is just a little bit ahead of 'having concerns her DS has ASD'. Star was asking for help with interpreting data she had been given. I was giving that help.

Rolla I'm afraid lou is right, but I have appreciated your help.

The data has been given to us by the tribunal, supplied by the LA. We will be facing said SENCo in the court room in a matter of weeks.

I was trying to figure out what they thought their case was with a bunch of numbers.

And lou?

Mind if I call you Louggle? from now on?

apols if this is blindingly obvious, but I would also cross check with the Ofsted reports - they will be broadbrush (so not as detailed as the data you have been given) but usual have a para along the lines of - attainment level at entry is below average/average/above average, and then following up with attainment level at (whatever stage) is below average/average/above average, and then there will also be a brief para about how they follow through with kids with SN.

eg From my POV, I wanted a school from DS that was good at getting below average children to average, and didn't want a school where the attainment level at entry was above average (so the reverse of most...).

btw DS had a big language leap between 4 and 5, and he went from FS 2-4 at 3.11 to FS7-9 at 5.4.

Thanks TC I know they are below average entry, with an outstanding score. I'm not denying they are good school for my ds. The data bit is, well, a bit wierd tbh. And besides, I know nothing about these children, and provision for them has nothing to do with my ds.

Very strange.

No problem, star

I think that they are probably trying to demonstrate that they have 'children like DS' and are able to progress them. Therefore, your desired provision is unreasonable, because there is a MS school (them) who can progress 'children like DS'. Therefore, tribunal should rule that unless they fail, your DS should go to a school like theirs. IYSWIM.

I suppose what you need to demonstrate is that the Statutory process is about the individual child, and you have evidence that provision so far has made no progress, and your provision has made progress, so until they can prove that their provision is adequate for your DS then your provision should stand.

Yes lou That is exactly it. The data doesn't worry me at all now I know what it is, but a couple of days ago they were just random numbers that could mean anything.