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Private school and bursaries....

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CheekyGirl · 12/03/2010 22:10

Hi, I have a very clever dd who is 9 and in year 4. I have never even thought of private school as an option before, as there is no way we could afford it (and I mean no way!!).

I am becoming increasingly worried about secondary education as the state secondary schools in my local area are disappointing in terms of results, feel of the school, attitude of the staff and pupils.... the whole deal.

If we did decide to apply for a bursary for one of the local private schools, and dd was accepted, do you think she would 'fit in'? To me, the social side of education is very important. I would hate her to feel like an outsider or the 'poor kid' as we live in a very ordinary, small, semi and have to scrimp and save a bit.

I just don't know whether to let go of the whole idea of bursaries and private schools and just send her to the local secondary with her friends from primary and hope for the best.

Opinions/experiences welcomed.

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SoupDragon · 12/03/2010 22:12

It would depend on the school TBH. There would always be other bursary children though so she wouldn't be the only one. There would also be children who did not qualify for a bursary but whose parents are doing the scrimping and saving to pay the fees.

CheekyGirl · 12/03/2010 22:29

That's true. I'd just hate for her to invite a friend round after school, and feel embarrassed at our modest abode......

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SoupDragon · 12/03/2010 22:31

DS1 starts at private secondary in Sept. We live in a 1030s semi

I'm sure there are (I know there are!) boys in flash houses etc but it doesn't bother me particularly. I know they give a fair number of bursaries and scholarships so there should be a range of boys.

CheekyGirl · 12/03/2010 22:45

That's heartening. In all seriousness, maybe it would be a good idea to look at the schools that offer the most bursaries, then?

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jackstarbright · 13/03/2010 09:32

Hi cheekyGirl I agree with SoupD that it depends on the school, but nowadays most have a wide social and ethnic mix. Quite a few dc's coming from modest homes with grand parents paying and a fair number of parents scrimp and save/borrow.

Bursaries do tend to be financial 'top ups'. You will probably need to do your share of scrimping and saving too! Only you will know if that's worth doing in your dd's case. As she's very clever she might be able to apply for a scholarship but these are rare nowadays. Do look around all the possible schools - state and private.

Good luck!

Mum72 · 13/03/2010 11:04

Hi

I would not worry to much about it. My girls board at a private school but only thanks to the MOD Continuity of Education Allowance which pays the hefty bulk of the fees. We also pay a fair sum (alot more than the minimum 10%)but without the allowance we could not afford it. My husband is not an officer and we are ordinary not posh in any way people.

We live in Forces Housing which depending where we live can be pretty grotty and rarely better than an old fashioned 3 bed semi. Some of the housing estates we live on look pretty dire as with Forces Housing accomodating a transient population most people dont put much love or personlisation to their homes. Our current house has a 1960's kitchen with chipped fake leatehr effect work tops. The unit doors are different colours as they have needed to be replaced over the years - we have orange, yellow, teak wood effect and green all in one room etc. Am not moaning just painting the full picture for you.

Both my DDs have friends back at weekends. One friend that comes often is a day girl at the school who's parents live in a castle - yes I did say castle. Its stunning with suits of armour in the hall . Other friends live in my dream type Farmhouse style houses, with gardeners and au pairs etc other kids live in terraced houses, flats in pretty average type places and both parents work their fingers to the bone to afford the fees.

Yes - there are the shockingly wealthy (lets move to the IOM types) but actually really lovely people, but there are more "normal" (to us) type people too. You will get a mix.

To date we have had no issues with the girls and my eldest is in her 4th year of being at the school. I dont pretend to be anything that I am not - my jaw hitting the floor when I enter the Castle etc - sort of gives it away that its not the norm for me.

I do wonder whether the teenage years will make it more of an issue but having spoken to other Forces Boarding School mums with children a few years ahead of my 2, it seems not.

I don't suppose anyone can ever guarantee you that being a less well off child will have no negative effect but its one of those quirks of private schooling that has not lived upto the sterotypical myths that everyone is posh, loaded etc.

At DDs school it is highly uncool to have brand new uniform it must look faded and come from the S/H shop. DD was mortified (as was I because of the cost) when there were no S/H Blazers left and she shop and she needed new!

The attitude of pupils is alot more positive in general - the children seem genuinely pleased and enthusiatic if another child achieves something good. At DDs last school the piss was taken for doing something well or for standing out from the crowd.

The thing is though - kids are kids. Bullying happens in EVERY community - workplaces, schools etc. I am not saying it wont ever happen - but that all my worries about being the "poorer parents" have been totally unfounded to date.

Another thing to bear in mind is that Inependent schools are just that - Independent - they stand alone and so can be vastly different and each one attract different types of families or have a different feel and ethos.

So do your research, go to open days, go on individual visits. Ask around locally for peoples opinions. When you have shortlisted a school or 2 - ask the school if you can contact a current parent to answer questions etc. Most will gladly do this. I have been asked to chat to other prospective parents for my DDs school - and its something I will gladly do as I know what a big decision it is.

When we were looking at schools I found the school newsletters and magazines said alot more about the school than any prospectus.

If you are on the schools mailing list - you may find yourself invited to shows, fetes, concerts and other functions at the school. Go. This will also help give you a real flavour and insight to the school and type of people involved with the school.

Mum72 · 13/03/2010 11:15

Obviously I have no idea where you are geographically but some schools do offer upto 100% bursaries. Do some rooting about on their websites and when you send off for a prospectus ask about bursaries etc with your initial enquiry. There are some schools that hardly mention it on websites and in prospectuses but once we have enquired have been quite generous (in theory - not neccessarily officially applied). So ask ask and ask would be my advice.

A friend sent me a link to this schools website last weekend (in Oxford)

www.headington.org/fees-discount-calculator/

Its just to give you an idea I think of whether or not you may be entitled to financial help and of course EVERY school is different.

But we put in a slightly more generous salary and (imaginary owned house - as we have some savings) just to see and we came out as a potential 100% bursary!

Shame its the wrong location for us!

Mum72 · 13/03/2010 11:17

There is also a link to bursaried FAQs at the same school.

www.headington.org/means-tested-bursaries-faq/

Obviously ALL schools are different but there is some info there that will give you an idea.

foreverastudent · 13/03/2010 13:06

I went to a private school where about a fifth of pupils were on bursaries/scholarships/assisted places. I never knew who was and wasn't on one of these unless the person told me.
I never heard of anyone being bullied for financial reasons.

CheekyGirl · 13/03/2010 20:56

Funnily enough, mum72, Headington School is one of the schools we were looking at as we are in Oxfordshire!! Quite a few of the local independent schools seem to offer 100% bursaries. It has been heartening to read these posts, so thank you all!

Does anyone know - bursaries may cover fees, but what about books, exams, trips etc which probably cost a lot extra? Do bursaries cover these too?

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starangel · 16/03/2010 14:12

Mum72. What a really excellent post.

MrsGuyOfGisbourne · 16/03/2010 17:45

Brill post form Mum72. I would also add re looking at school newsletters to go to things like the Summer Fair, Xmas Fair etc which gives you a flavour of the people a dhte atmosphere.
DS goes to a school which has a reptutation locally - by peopel who do not know it - for being 'posh'. We have found it totally not! Chatted to parents and boys at the Xmas Fair before DS did the exam, and found them very helpful, informative, welcoming.

icancancan · 17/03/2010 21:15

my niece received a 100% bursary from a bluecoat school in the midlands when she was 7/8. This also included a free school uniform (value £300) and help towards books and one school trip per annum. They lived in a two bed council house and we too were worried about how she would fit in but decided to go for it as it was too good an opportunity to miss. She made some lovely friends and did fantastically academically - she was offered several grammar school places and two scholarships for secondary. My sister decided that a grammar would be better as the financial 'gulf' seemed wider at secondary level with more expensive trips etc and she worried that niece would not have the same opportunities as the others. She is doing well at grammar.
good luck - you have nothing to lose!

alann · 18/03/2010 17:13

We have recently accepted a bursary offer for our local private school and understand fully your concerns regards "fitting in". I'm sure my ds will handle things fine, he's 12 ATM, however, I do worry about the first time he asks to bring a friend home to our very modest semi bungalow. After great consideration, my dh and I did think it was too good an opportunity to miss and have decided that for the sake of his education we would go for it. I posted here a few months ago with the same questions as yourself and the response I got was overwhelming in favour of going for the bursary. Also when we visited the school and met some of the teachers and pupils this also helped to get a feel for the school. I would arrange a visit to the schools in your area and have a chat with the head, this will give you chance to decide if it feels right for you. Good luck.

CheekyGirl · 19/03/2010 21:53

Thanks, all. I am going to arrange visits to all the local secondaries - independent and otherwise - to get a real overall picture.

Any other bursary stories welcome....

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PAULA52 · 23/03/2010 15:11

Hi, I am in a similar postion and was wondering if anyone could pass on some bursary info re secondary schools. our son has had an ed psych test done as i was worried he may have dyspraxia (which he does mildly) but out of this he has been picked up as ultra bright and we have been offered an exceptional bursary from a very high achiving lovely prep school as they beleive he is kings scholar material. i am in a dilema now as our plan was to send him to the local grammar for which he takes the 11+ for this october. however the pre testing for eton is atound the same time and i am not sure if this is too much for him to do at the same time. also it is all very well getting a bursary for the next 3 years but not sure what we would get from eton if he did get in. is it dependent on if he gets a brilliant result? or does he just have to past the common entrance. very confused about this, i want to give my son the best possible opportunity but need to know we can carry it through. (no way we can pay more tha 5k a year, that is us scrimping and saving)

Waswondering · 23/03/2010 15:16

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foreverastudent · 24/03/2010 20:21

paula52, can i ask which prep school?

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