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Do Schools Kill creativity - Sir Ken Robinison thinks so

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drosophila · 26/12/2009 21:10

www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html

This rang a lot of bells with me.

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jackstarbright · 26/12/2009 22:38

Drosopila. Would love to read this - but I am on my iPhone (natch) which doesn't support the required Flash. Any chance you could paste it (or a summary) into the thread. Others away for Xmas might be in the same position. Thanks. Jack

MintyCandyCane · 27/12/2009 09:18

I love that lecture and agree with it completely.

roisin · 27/12/2009 10:09

I find him quite hard to listen to: I'm not sure why, just his voice and the way he chuckled to himself...

However, I do agree with the hypothesis. In particular I think early formal education in this country teaches children at a very young age to suppress their individuality and creativity.

Ds1 did not start formal education until he was 5 (+2 months). Before that he was just in nursery or playgroup for maximum 2.5 hrs per day, in very informal settings with lots of free choice and free play. [By contrast ds2 started at a nursery at age 3 that had lots of formal structure, rules, etc and very little free play.]

ds1 is now 12 and each year for many years all sorts of different teachers have commented on how creative and imaginative he is, and how he is not afraid to step outside and beyond other people's expectations.

norfolkBRONZEturkey · 27/12/2009 10:13

bookmarked to read when I've had moew sleep

currently looking at home edding ds1

drosophila · 27/12/2009 12:52

Think this sums it up:

From The Times February 20, 2009

State school system cries out for creativity
Sir Ken Robinson, the education expert, says that we need to give teachers space to be professional and to inspire childrenCarol Lewis Recommend? If you woke up this morning thanking your lucky stars that it is Friday - then it is probably a good bet to say that you don't adore your job.

?I constantly meet lots of adults who don't really know what their true talents might be or what they might be really good at, who don't much enjoy what they do, they just do it ... with no great sense of fulfilment or exhilaration,? Sir Ken Robinson, an education expert, says.

?Yet I also meet people who absolutely love what they do and couldn't imagine doing anything else - who are, so to speak, in their element - and I've long been interested in what the difference is and what makes the difference.?

The difference, Sir Ken says, is great teaching. ?The quality of education is so much to do with the quality of teaching,? he said. ?The quality of teaching is so much about having people who are passionate about it and who have room to do their job properly.?

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In 1998 Sir Ken led a national commission on creativity, education and the economy for the Tony Blair Government, producing the report, All Our Future: Creativity, Culture and Education (also known as the the Robinson Report).

However he is probably now better known for his humorous TED (Technology, Entertainment, Design) lecture ?Do Schools Kill Creativity??, which has acquired cult status among parents - his delivery is more like that of a professional comedian rather than an academic (www.ted.com).

Sir Ken passionately believes that we need to rethink fundamentally the way in which we educate children and in his new book, The Element: How Finding Your Passion Changes Everything, he explores this idea through the stories of people who have achieved success through discovering their element - the thing that they are good at and enjoy doing.

In the book he proposes an ?elemental education?. In this education system, all subjects are considered equal, there is more linking of subjects (rather than treating them as distinct topics) and curriculums and teaching methods are personalised to inspire children. Finally teachers are given the freedom to teach in a way that excites and motivates them.

However, the former professor of arts education isn't advocating that schools adopt wacky practices. ?I think it is useful to have a national curriculum - there needs to be some basic agreement about the sort of things that all children are entitled to learn about and we need core thresholds in literacy, numeracy and so on,? he said.

?It's about giving schools and teachers the space they need to be professional and creative in the way they engage kids with the material. My anxiety is that governments get over-prescriptive when they need to leave room for professional judgment.?

However, Sir Ken emphasises that there is room for more creativity in the British state school system and that there are plenty of examples of schools that have taken the intiative.

He points to Grange Primary in Nottinghamshire, where the head teacher has created Grangeton, a town - complete with town council, television studio, market and museum - all run by the pupils.

The curriculum is taught by relating subjects to practical applications - for example, maths is related to running a town business and literacy to writing for the town newspaper.

Sir Ken said: ?There is nothing to stop a head teacher or school from agreeing to do something completely differently and saying ?We are going to have a whole day when we do nothing but science and then tomorrow we are going to do music'.?

Yet many schools insist on carving the day into 40-minute lessons and valuing maths and science above all else, Sir Ken says. ?We have to celebrate all the talents of our kids - Britain needs great scientists and mathematicans, but it also needs great designers, great architects, great everything,? he said.

Sir Ken says that traditionally the academic system has steered children away from the subjects that they are good at because they were not perceived as promoting good employment prospects.

However, he points out that we don't know what jobs we will need in the future but we do know we will need some creative thinking to get out of current economic problems.

?The irony is that narrow curriculums and standardised tests are often put into place because that is what politicians perceive is wanted by business, but when you speak to businesses they almost always want the opposite,? he said.

?They are saying: ?We are getting all these kids through, who have gone through the education mill, but they don't have a creative thought in their heads - they can't innovate, they can't work in teams and they can't communicate properly. But what we need urgently are people who can contribute to change and innovation'.?

The same is true for teachers. Sir Ken says that teacher training needs to be innovative and to inspire teachers, because they, too, are better at their jobs when they enjoy what they are doing. What we need is more people, including teachers, who enthusiatically look forward to Monday morning.

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jackstarbright · 27/12/2009 20:54

Thanks so much Drosophila. I have done some searching and I also found this article interview with Ken Robinson in the Guardian which seems to cover some of the points he makes in the lecture.

I agree with roisin that our rush to early formal learning could be harming creativity. In many other countries age 4 to age 7 is a time to develop creativity, with an emphasis on story telling, art, model construction and other learning through play. At the same age our 4-6 year old are required to sit still in class learning letters and numbers.

I also think Ken Robinson's point about teacher's attitude to their role being key, is very important.

TheGoatofChristmasPast · 08/01/2010 15:52

i love this guy.

happilyconfused · 08/01/2010 17:58

yes - both for pupils and for teachers... So hard to be exciting and creative with all the rules we have to follow and forms to fill out .... kids love to do different things and cross-curricular projects but it is frowned on by some SLT, Governors and parents ....

hey hum - back to the over loaded curriculum then. Thank god we had a couple of fun snow days

mrz · 09/01/2010 15:05

I don't think schools kill creativity but the system at the moment discourages it.

IAmTheEasterBunny · 09/01/2010 15:28

I'm surprised you said that, mrz, as your school sounds very creative.

I actually think there has been an improvement over the last 3 years or so (since the video was recorded), with the introduction of the creative curriculum, and not having to count subject-hours to the minute to please Ofsted (how goalposts change...).

We're a Change School at the moment, and this video is a favourite of our Creative Agent, so I've watched it several times! It is very interesting what Ken R says about the historical significance of literacy and maths. I often find that the children who are more adept in lit and maths (i.e. those who can follow the rules easily - your 'more able', 'above-average' children)find the 'creative tasks', and 'outside-the-box' thinking extremely difficult. Is that because they've already been brainwashed into a you-listen-you-do response, or because a creative learning style doesn't suit them as individuals?

I'd love to know what would happen if we delayed formal learning by a couple of years.

mrz · 09/01/2010 16:03

I agree IAmTheEasterBunnymy school is creative but it does take a brave head and many feel under pressure from the LA , OFSTED, and dare I say parents to stick to QCA guidance.
I think things are changing and hopefully the new primary curriculum will help to raise creativity further.
I do think many teachers are afraid of creativity and leaving the security of the framework and QCA units having known no other way.

Wastwinsetandpearls · 09/01/2010 16:10

From The Times February 20, 2009
"The difference, Sir Ken says, is great teaching. ?The quality of education is so much to do with the quality of teaching,? he said. ?The quality of teaching is so much about having people who are passionate about it and who have room to do their job properly.?
I totally agree, it does worry me that in the economic climate people are resorting to teaching as a safe option, not beacause it is something that have a passion for the career and their subject. I have noticed this in recent PGCE students I have come across. I have never felt that I dont have time to do my job properly. Perhaps I would feel differently if I taught I core subject, I don't know.

"Sir Ken said: ?There is nothing to stop a head teacher or school from agreeing to do something completely differently and saying ?We are going to have a whole day when we do nothing but science and then tomorrow we are going to do music'.?

"Yet many schools insist on carving the day into 40-minute lessons and valuing maths and science above all else, Sir Ken says. ?We have to celebrate all the talents of our kids - Britain needs great scientists and mathematicans, but it also needs great designers, great architects, great everything,? he said."
IME this is actually quite common in state schools, perhaps not as much we would like admittedly.

"The same is true for teachers. Sir Ken says that teacher training needs to be innovative and to inspire teachers, because they, too, are better at their jobs when they enjoy what they are doing. What we need is more people, including teachers, who enthusiatically look forward to Monday morning."
Most teachers I know adore their job I always look forward to a Monday although I will admit that I love my weekend time with my family and sometimes wish it would last a little longer. That does not make me a bad person or a bad teacher.

Maybe I am also influenced by the fact that I teach in an arts college as we do place a lot of emphasis on creativity. In our school the arts are certainly not at the bottom of the pile. Our students are taken off timetbable to have days focussed on art, dance, sport etc. They also have days to just focus on other areas as well.

I agree with him that we have become obsessed with the idea that the sole purpose of education is to prepare people for work. I find it so sad when I hear year 11 students saying to me if I take your A Level subject will it get me a job? For too many students they don't even seem to consider the fact that they should study a subject that they love.

I found his description of the choreographer very interesting as I have a dd who just cannot sit still, she is on the go constantly and everything becomes a dance. She wants to dance while reading her books, while doing her sums, when walking , when watching TV. It is very hard and there are times when I just want to say "please sit still!" I have to remind myself that this is not fair

IAmTheEasterBunny · 09/01/2010 17:48

mrz - I agree. At KS1 moderation meetings, so many schools still bring work on Katie Morag (ugh), the Great Fire of London and Florence Nightingale, etc. - we sent these QCA plans to the great skip in the sky 4-5 years ago!

The other teachers on my table in 2009 (who had ALL used QCA) looked at me a bit strangely when I showed them a bit of writing arguing why Paddington Bear (an illegal immigrant, after all) should be sent back to Peru! The worrying thing for me, is that all those teachers taught at good or outstanding schools........

mrz · 09/01/2010 18:49

I moved to Y2 last week so it will be my first KS1 moderation for a long time ... I look forward to seeing if much has changed (although I really doubt it).

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