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Possible non attendance prosecution / education supervision order ? Please help :[

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NotPlayingAnyMore · 22/04/2009 20:37

I'll try to keep this brief. Apologies if this is in too general a section but I didn't know where was best to put it.

My DS is autistic but in a mainstream primary school with a statement of SEN entitling him to an LSA for most of the week etc.
I'm also autistic and dyspraxic but don't receive any support accordingly, partly due to only being diagnosed very recently.

The school hosted a routine Team Around The child meeting today, at which I knew the Educational Welfare Officer would be present due to refusal resulting in DS's attendance being so low. I was told not to worry as prosecution would be last resort with support being the first.

The EWO's dialogue, however, began with the statement that I could be prosecuted. I told her I already understood that, but waited for her to detail what she could bring in terms of support to the table. She only continued to say that this was based on a report by the county council home school link worker which stated that she couldn't engage with me due to a missed appointment and that my case had been closed.

This was news to me. I do recall missing one appointment - not uncommon for someone with such difficulties - but as far as I was aware, if anything it was this home school link worker who had been absentee from the last TAC meeting, which I later understood from the school was due to being on sick leave. At no point did her office contact me directly to explain this but I assumed that she would be in touch in due course and that I would not have to chase her up as well.

As a very private person, having trusted this woman to come into my home to work with myself and my son despite having to endure the constant role changes and base offices moves, usually with no notice or notification, which makes it so difficult to even establish support, by this party and most of the long list of others we work with, I refuted this. I was, however, so shocked, concerned and distressed to be recorded as unco-operative that I had to leave the room.

Apparently in my absence, the EWO explained that the LEA may have to take over my DS's education. This was not repeated for my benefit by the EWO upon my return.

When I did come back, I told the EWO the above and also that while he had been absent, I'd made all efforts to engage him in discussion and work related to the school topics he was interested in as well as having requested and received a pack of work from the school when he was definitely going to be absent due to sudden illness. She did apologise and tell me that what she'd said would be a worst case scenario, also admitting that she didn't know how she fitted into the meeting.

I'll be looking further into this subject later, I've worked with IPSEA during the statementing process before and am thinking that an autism advocate could come in very useful but other than conducting everything in writing or audio-recorded meetings to make sure I'm kept in the loop, I've come away from the meeting no wiser regarding what will actually be happening regarding the EWO. I know I need to calm down before I can do anything because I'm feeling very betrayed, am almost breathless with anger and still shaking now, but I have no idea where to go from here.

I hope this all makes sense to someone. Thanks for reading

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coppertop · 22/04/2009 22:04

I don't have any useful advice but will bump this up for you in case someone else can help.

NotPlayingAnyMore · 23/04/2009 09:49

Thank you - bump

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purpleduck · 23/04/2009 09:56

When there are these meetings, there should be a "lead professional".
Find out who that is, and make sure this person knows that you are having difficulties yourself, as ask if you can get any extra support through this.

Thats all I know, but someone should be about soon enough.

Good luck - this must be such a stressful time for you

Madsometimes · 23/04/2009 10:36

These round table meetings of professionals can be incredibly intimidating for parents, and really should be more supportive and empathetic.

As you noted the EWO did mention that when you returned to the room that she had discussed the worst case scenario with you. I am quite sure that when she saw your reaction she would have realised that she over stepped the mark.

I cannot offer much specific support. There are many more people on MN who know more than me. I hope things work out well for you. No-one is going to prosecute a mother who is trying to get support for her sn son.

Madsometimes · 23/04/2009 10:37

Try sn board too.

greatwhiteshark · 23/04/2009 10:40

Why is he spending so much time off school? Would it be worth investigating home education as a solution? Please don't dismiss it out of hand without researching it a lot. There really are very, very few reasons why it wouldn't work (basically, if you didn't want to, is about the only reason!), and it would put an end to any school attendance issues.

Have a look here if it is of any interest.

amber32002 · 23/04/2009 11:17

NotPlayingAnyMore, as an adult with an ASD and dyspraxic elements, and a school Governor, I hope that I can help a little.

The school and any and all people involved with this need to be making clear adjustments for you, and your son. The amount of disruption you've experienced so far and the lack of clear communication suggests to me that they are not doing this. They need to understand that we communicate very clearly and literally, and that we will have a different set of expectations of communication from other people. If they are not being totally clear about their meanings, it's just a load of stress.

Is it worth putting into writing exactly what your understanding of the situation is, and explaining the absences? IPSEA are very good and may well be able to give you more help. The NAS can also help point you to advocacy services that might be able to help you.

What sort of things have caused the absences from school - are you able to give any more detail?

I personally find it SO hard to cope with anyone being in my house if I don't know them well - I can't process what they're saying or doing fast enough, and end up utterly stressed out. Don't know if your experience is similar?

cory · 23/04/2009 11:43

At the risk of being jumped at- EWOs often find it quite difficult to deal with cases of disability, as they are mentally geared up to a completely different scenario. They sort of come in with the expectation that this is going to be a discipline issue as it were.

I have found them range from concerned and willing to help but unable to offer anything practical to downright stupid.

NotPlayingAnyMore · 23/04/2009 23:46

I think the lead professional is probably the deputy head SENCO as the school are hosting the meetings and he's already aware of my difficulties but I'll ask him about extra support.
I had to e-mail him this morning to ask him to forward any correspondence in writing. It means I won't be able to have informal chats in person with the school anymore but as I cannot manage being put on the spot like this very well and have effectively been threatened with legal action, I feel this is only wise.

DS is spending so much time away from school because he refuses to go. The school have given him incentives of preferred activities and even small gifts using a visual chart, which did work - for a fortnight. He rarely co-operates in getting ready to go out and even when he does, the mere 15 minute walk to school can be a nightmare. His LSA offered to walk him there and did so on some mornings for many months but stopped after he became too difficult. He is so tall and strong for his age that I cannot physically drag him to school, but I'd be as damned if I do as I'm damned that I don't anyway.
There were also absences due to illness before the easter holiday but they were authorised.

I have considered home education but not in any great depth yet. As a single mother with little support, it all seems rather daunting.

The EWO was incredibly vague. She was aware that I had autism but didn't mention it at all, let alone ask any questions about it. I wasn't given her contact details, she didn't request mine and I've been given no indication by which time things must improve by to avoid prosecution.
I just felt that she attended the meeting expecting a lazy parent to whom the only solution was intimidation, but there's no magic button which can be pressed here and it's only served to make me clam up.

The school and I were already talking about writing a report of my own about how my difficulties affect myself and my son. At the meeting, I agreed to include my version of the circle of events which result in DS refusing to attend school. I'm considering extending this to my view of my the many and various agencies are managing our case to date.

Thanks to each of you for your replies so far. I'm feeling calmer today but not quite calm, though I'm hoping I'm becoming at least slightly more coherent. I'll try the SN board, probably tomorrow when I've had some sleep and can make sense of what I've also learned of today.

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cory · 24/04/2009 08:01

your description of the EWO sounds exactly like my experiences

they are quite simply not trained to deal with genuine cases of disability or illness

the furthest I ever got with them was managing to convince them that I wasn't actually lazy or deliberately obstructive

after that, they had nothing to offer

justchris · 23/03/2010 09:58

we are also under the lea caution so i understand how you feel they do not take any home situation into it im afraid or the childs problems they jump in without thought.
i have contacted the portfolio holder for education at the county council with my concerns and my local councillor for the county dont know what they can do but they are going to look into it so i suggest trying you have nothing to lose good luck
chris

anastaisia · 23/03/2010 11:45

NotPlaying

If you want to find out more information about home ed, and how it might work with SEN there's this site and an email support list attached to it: HE Special

There's also a single parent list if you wanted to find out how other people manage HE as a lone parent.

acebaby · 23/03/2010 16:21

I'm sorry that you are so distressed, and I can understand why. I have no experience with school attendance difficulties, but I have some experience of working with students with high functioning autism (I'm a university lecturer).

I suggest that you cut and paste your very articulate and clear post into an e-mail and send it to the head of educational welfare (or equivalent). You could include a preface explaining that you are very keen to work with them to improve your DC's school attendance.

Perhaps you could you ask them to e-mail you an 'agenda' for any meetings a few days in advance, to allow you to prepare yourself and participate fully. They are obliged to accommodate your disability, so you could ask them to do this on that basis.

Also, I believe that local authorities, and some charities have advocate schemes. Perhaps you could ask for an advocate to come with you to these meetings to support you, help you put your views across and maybe reflect on the meeting afterwards.

Just a few thoughts...

BetsyBoop · 23/03/2010 18:52

just a thought, maybe ACE (Advisory centr for Education) might be able to offer some advice too - they have a helpline

bruffin · 23/03/2010 19:20

This thread is a year old I don't think Notplayinganymore posts anymore

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