waldorf steiner

[heninthemidden]

hi,

anyone had good experience of waldorf steiner education system?

I am here because my experience with waldorf/steiner schools is relevant to OP's question. What wind did you blow in on dear?

Isenhart what is your experience with Waldorf Steiner?

If you'd actually read this thread, then you would know, ra29needsabettername.

dilemma - great article!
Isenhart why don't you fly over to the Richard Dawkins Foundation? Some interesting humanists are waiting for you in the forum, under 'debunking woo'. Some of them are larger and hairier even than us. That should keep you busy for a while.

Steiner Newsflash

Isenhart you have won the 'Mumsnet Wisest Woman of the Year Competition', please enter the Higher Realm immediately.

Toodleoo!
Fairy Blessings!
Missing you already!!

Thanks for the invite wilderduck, I am v. familiar with Richard Dawkins work.

Old news, barking as this youtube clip has been posted on Mumsnet in the past. Happy Mother's Day to you!

So you're a steiner parent in another country? You say you're a long term steiner parent but not where. I don't know if the schools are the same the world over hence trying to establish your involvement. I just wonder why if you know about steiner schools you don't say for instance that steiner teachers do not believe in gnomes or that it is not true that anthrophosophy is the philosophy behind the schools. Or that anthrophosophists do not believe that demons live in tvs or whatever. I just find it strange that you don't diorectly refute these claims OR say that they are true. Surely either it's rubbish and you want to set people straight or it's stuff that is believed and you're happy to support. I don't understand why if these things are not true nobody just clearly states it? (I have no axe to grind, I'm not a steiner parent or ex parent- I just find the whole thing really interesting and as sombody involved in education am interested to know).

Cheery Bye Mystic Meg

I'm glad Isenhart's familiar with Professor Dawkin's work as it means she understands what 'clairvoyance' really is:

'Constructing models is something the human brain is very good at. When we are asleep it is called dreaming; when we are awake we call it imagination, or, when it is exceptionally vivid, hallucination. ..children who have 'imaginary friends' sometimes see them clearly, exactly as if they were real. If we are gullible, we don't recognize hallucination or lucid dreaming for what it is and we claim to have seen or heard a ghost; or an angel; or God; or - especially if we happen to be young, female and Catholic - the Virgin Mary. Such visions and manifestations are certainly not good grounds for believing that ghosts or angels, gods or virgins, are actually there.'

The Gnome, sorry God Delusion.

There are no grounds whatsoever for basing a system of education on hallucination.

Ra29needsabettername-so someone who knows about Steiner schools would say these things? Has someone who has had experience in Steiner schools said that anthroposophy does not underpin the curriculum? It seems to me that that is what you suggest-if so could you please tell me where you have found this to be true. I too would be interested. Thank you.

Wilderduck-constructing models is something the human brain is very good at. I completely agree. Since you mention it, do you happen to know what it is in the brain that makes it possible for different levels of consciousness, i.e. waking and sleeping to arise?

Why don't you answer me straight?

Yes, ra29needsabettername, I am a Steiner parent in another country. Now, that I've answered your question perhaps you will be so kind as to answer mine.

Isenhart, you said
"Has someone who has had experience in Steiner schools said that anthroposophy does not underpin the curriculum?"

Just a few websites of schools in UK which don't even mention the word anthroposophy, amazing,- and considering how similar their language is, how they probably got all their pat phrases okayed by Anthro Central Bureau

It's fascinating reading between the lines of the language they use.

Wynstones steiner school

Elmfield Steiner school

Norwich Steiner School

Brighton Steiner school

Greenwich Steiner school

northern and others, I feel I'll get clearer answers from you. Why do you think there is not more fuss about Steiner Schools. Why do the LEA's for instance not make it clear what these schools are about. I don't understand why if what you say is true (and I'm not saying it's not) it is not more publicly known.

"Believing Is Seeing: Organic and Psychological Reasons for Hallucinations and Other Anomalous Psychiatric Symptoms

"...There are several possible wellsprings for such events. Visitation experiences can help those with troubled minds find the existential answers they crave or may supply rationales for the less-than-fulfilling lives some people experience. These other-worldly messages can allay anxieties by offering a hedge against uncertain fate. They can also help explain vaguely distressing feelings or memories, and for the millenarian, comfort can be derived from the belief that somewhere, perhaps in another dimension, another culture has conquered the problems mere earthlings seem powerless to overcome. All-powerful beings that come from the sky at night have long had a strong appeal for the worried and the perplexed."

wilderduck have done so - NI snippet posted as requested. They're still not getting their teeth fully embedded in my behind (which surprises me, it's not a small nor a subtle target)...

isenhart I suspect wilderduck knew you would be

ra29- God I wish I knew.
I believe the Steiner schools fellowship is very good at advertising the things they want to get across and leaving out the bulk of the nonsense and worse- extremely good.

They have the machine of World Anthro behind them of course, and their apparent undying belief that nothing is as important, as spreading their movement.

Often the "research" and "studies" turn out to be conducted by people very sympathetic to the movement, if not actual anthroposphists.

Steiner schools are really small fry in the grand scheme of things; Steiner isn't considered any sort of great thinker outside his small fanatical band of followers.
But, never the less, they still affect so many, and they're so many, too many...
oohh, that sounds .. quite a loopy sentence....

Must go and light a joss stick, gently clasp my hands on my lap and have some camomile tea.

"All-powerful beings that come from the sky at night have long had a strong appeal for the worried and the perplexed."

I'm waiting for them to come on down and sort that blasted gnome out.

Is this a good time to steer the conversation towards gnomism?

Hello Barking

Ignoring my silly little joke/pun about gnomism (studied Puritan history amongst other things so know it has little to do with short men with preternaturally long beards) can I, in all seriousness throw the word fascism into the pot?

tattifer
WHAT is he doing?

I like that phrase too- but I really hope you're not too worried and perplexed?