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staying on at school till they are 18

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RumMum · 16/02/2009 18:32

Did I dream this or are this years year 6's staying on at secondary school till they are 18...

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notagrannyyet · 16/02/2009 18:50

I'm sure you're right. This years year 7s also have to stay on until they're 17.

RumMum · 16/02/2009 18:58

thanks nagy... I need to know as I've just read ex's seperation agreement and it states that he will only pay maintenance till ds leaves secondary school...

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piscesmoon · 16/02/2009 19:09

He will have to pay until 18yrs.

RumMum · 16/02/2009 19:19

thanks pm... do you have any links for that info... I can't find it...

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Reallytired · 17/02/2009 10:02

Yes, it is true and I can not think of a more stupid idea than raising school leaving age to 18. If a kid really does not want to be at school they will learn very little and distrupt the learning those who want to be there.

I would rather have better opportunities for adults who later choose to return to education.

compo · 17/02/2009 10:04

where will it leave higher eduction colleges that are specifically designed to provide vocational courses for 16-18 year olds, like secretarial courses?

LIZS · 17/02/2009 10:12

The colleges will still be able to offer vocational courses, A levels etc. Our local one is redeveloping on the back of it. Isn't it about staying in education rather than specifically at school.

compo · 17/02/2009 10:13

oh so students can leave school if they are going to a he college? that sounds better

Coldtits · 17/02/2009 10:29

there is a new scheme in some areas called stride, in which a child moves to part time college at 14 to learn a vocatioon, still attends school part time until 16, then goes to college full time. It seems a good scheme, especially for those more willing to work with their hands than their minds.

I DO think people should stay in education until 18. I left school at 16 because I could. I was far too childish for the world of work, and drifted jobless until I was 18 anyway. I'd have been better off at school or college, but the only way to keep me there would have been for it to be illegal for me to leave.

Reallytired · 17/02/2009 12:35

"I was far too childish for the world of work, and drifted jobless until I was 18 anyway. I'd have been better off at school or college, but the only way to keep me there would have been for it to be illegal for me to leave. "

However do you think you would have been far too childish for college. Yes, they might have been able to make you turn up for college, but would you have done any work? For kids who don't want to be there, can you imagine the discipline problems. It would make it impossible for anyone who does want to learn. I could also see lots of pointless courses set up to inspire the unmoviated and huge amounts of tax payers money being spent to enforce attendence.

I loved my A-levels and behaviour was so much better than pre 16 education. Part of the reason for this was that everyone knew that if there was a hint of mucking about that they would be out. Ie. They had to take responsiblity and make the decision to be there.

In someways I think that the freedom to make bad decisions makes people grow up and cope with either work or study better. What is important is that there is the provision to allow those who regret leaving school at 16 to study later.

thumbwitch · 17/02/2009 13:05

I don't agree wth keeping people in full time education past the age of 16 if they really don't want to be there.

My DH left school at 15 (in Australia), took up an apprenticeship for 3 years and stayed in that trade for 10 years. He then decided he wanted to change, so went back to college to get a diploma in Business Studies, and then on to Uni to get a degree in Business, which he finished age 30. It suited him much better to do it later, when he actually WANTED to study.

I knew a lad of 19 who had started one of these vocational training schemes - he spent initially 4 days in a mechanic's workshop and 1 in college - he just about coped with that, but when they reversed the ratio (4 days college to 1 day workshop) he dropped out because he couldn't stand it.

There are some people for whom booklearning is really not their thing - but they could potentially be brilliant artisans; and they are effectively prevented from being so by the requirement for some bit of paper that they have had to sit in a classroom to obtain, when they can demonstrate practically how good they are. So while I like the idea of kids getting vocational training at 14, WHAT is the point of making them go to college full time at 16 afterwards? Just keep them on day-release to college if they have to have the bit of paper and let them be working the way they work better for the majority of the week.

I have been told by a friend that her grandchildren in Germany have the option of 3 levels of school, depending on their academic level - I don't know how accurate this is but roughly, the grammar school is for the most academic, then there is the next level of school which is for less academic but could still turn out white collar workers, and then there is the 3rd level where they take the least academic students and they do vocational training instead, and become blue collar or manual workers. I don't know how old they keep them in school until, but I think it's only 16.

Madsometimes · 17/02/2009 14:58

I also disagree with raising the school leaving age to 18. I do hope that young people who are in education because they want to be are not going to be harassed and intimidated by nearly adults who are annoyed about being forced to stay in school/college. This is what happens in secondary schools, so I imagine it will happen even more in colleges.

I am also puzzled about what will happen to those who refuse to attend. At the moment, parents risk prison if their children truant from school. Will the same thing happen if their 16-18 year olds refuse to attend education. The whole thing seems nonsense to me.

Stretch · 17/02/2009 15:01

What will happen to the teenage mums? Will they be forced to continue at school until they are 18?

lottiebunny · 22/02/2009 17:42

I'm fairly sure getting an apprenticeship counts as staying in education on this new scheme.

I've also wondered about the truanting this, Madsometimes. If a 16-18yo no longer lives with parents, which is entirely possible, how can anyone make sure they're in education. Send the 16yo to prison? Someone hasn't really thought it out I guess.

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