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On report at 4 / 5 - too young???

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sb34 · 22/03/2003 15:57

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janh · 22/03/2003 18:29

Hi, sb34 - just found your drunken ramblings () under "anyone still up".

Haven't read every word, but putting a 4-yr-old on report sounds a bit drastic - what does it mean anyway? Having a book with daily reports in? What is the end result supposed to be for a 4-yr-old?

As it was Friday I wonder if the teacher had just had a really really bad week and your DS's mischief (because it's really no more than that) was the last straw for her. FWIW my DS2's school jumpers have completely shredded cuffs, some of it is chewing but some of it is definitely scissorwork, he looks like a ragbag but no-one has ever commented. The shoe hiding won't have been malicious, even if he knew the bin was going to be emptied he wouldn't have thought it through, and hitting a bigger child with a stick sounds more like bad tactics than anything else, unless it was an enormous stick, do you have details?

Anyway I agree with all the great advice that Ghosty and KMG gave you. Your approach will have to be very conciliatory purely because teachers - IME - seem constantly to be peeping over the parapet and can construe almost anything as criticism (no criticism intended, guys). I think you may well be right that he is bored but I don't think it would be wise to say that to them under these circumstances!

It does sound as if there is stuff going on that you don't know about and that he can't articulate yet - when they're little you generally only hear about what happened in the last half-hour of the day, if that, but if he is seeming cross about school all the time they and you need to get together to work it all out.

HTH - can't think of naything to add to what the others have said but it is awful for you (and him) and I hope your meeting on Monday is constructive and starts to work things out. Good luck!

lorne · 22/03/2003 18:38

Hi sb34,

Can't believe that a 4 year old would be on report. My ds is only 3.7 and he is a handful so you have me worrying now. I dread to think what he will get up to!!My ds is full of mischief but I think that is children, they aren't perfect and surely a teacher must understand that. My ds loves fun and he would do the smae thing with the shoe incident I am quite sure.

Speak to the teacher and Head on Monday and get to the bottom of it. As somebody else said maybe she just had a bad day BUT she shouldn't have taken it out on your son.

Hope everything works out for the best.

bossykate · 22/03/2003 19:03

hello sb34, no advice i'm afraid, still have the delights of the school system ahead. however, i agree that it seems ridiculous to put a four year old on report. hope you manage to get a more constructive response from the school. best wishes.

Claireandrich · 22/03/2003 20:00

This sounds very very young, and I can't see how a 4 year old is to understand the whole concept anyway. Didn't realise that they even had reports for that age! I teach at secondary school and it takes a good deal more than that to get them on report!!!

I think you need to arrange a meeting at school with the head and the teacher to try and sort it out. Seems so harsh for a 'baby' to be on report, and, let's face it aat 4 that's what they are!!!

WideWebWitch · 22/03/2003 20:11

sb34, I've just read the other thread and this one and 4/5 does sound young to be put 'on report'. I don't blame you for getting upset - I think I would too, it's so difficult not to take these things as a criticism of your parenting isn't it? But it really doesn't mean you're a bad mother, honest! Just a thought - do you think if they had worded the whole thing differently and said they wanted to discuss a couple of things with you so that you could help them work it out you would feel differently about it? I do think the expression 'on report' would be bound to make any of us worry, so does it help to think of it as something you need to talk to them about, rather than your ds being 'on report'? Maybe not but it does strike me as an unhelpful phrase being used by the school, whether there is an issue or not! And I agree with others that his behaviour doesn't sound exceptional or terrible or that surprising for his age.

I think you've had some excellent advice already from Ghosty and others so I can't add much except to hope that your conversations with his teachers are constructive next week. Let us know how you get on.

sb34 · 22/03/2003 21:51

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judetheobscure · 23/03/2003 00:13

sb34 - the things your son has done are merely mischievous, not bad in any way, and totally not a reflection of parenting skills (is there anybody whose parenting skills are perfect?)

Do hope you get things sorted out on Monday - without dd to distract. Just seconding (Ghosty I think) re. perhaps suggesting that he sit in a different place and be given extra (more difficult) things to do if he starts looking fidgetty.

Ghosty · 23/03/2003 00:35

sb34 ... very good plan to make a new thread! I think you have had some good extra comments here ...
Try not to be nervous about Monday. Remember he is your son and although they teach him YOU know him best. Try not to feel intimidated or patronised (some teachers can be notorious for this) but remember that ultimately you are all on the same side and want your son to do well and be happy at school.
Even if they tell you that he is not led astray by others ... they could tell you that he is the instigator ... then you should all come up with strategies to channel his energies in a positive direction.
Be smiley and confident ... but don't be on the defensive ...
Just another little thought ... rather than a 'report' could you suggest that he has a special notebook that goes between home and school? I have used this before ... At the end of the day the teacher and the child sit down and discuss how he has been that day and decide between them whether he gets a smiley face, a plain face (with a straight mouth) or a sad face. The teacher jots down some notes for you to read about his day and you discuss it with DS when he gets home and talk about how things can improve the next day (if he gets a sad or plain face)and you sign it to show the teacher that you have read it ... and maybe write back to her if you need to. It should only take a couple of minutes of the teacher's time at the end of the day and will be a positive thing for your little boy.
I first used this method with a little boy with ADHD (not suggesting for a millisecond that your DS has this!!!!) and it worked a treat so I have used it loads of times for long or short periods with other children and it does work quite well.
The other thing just to bear in mind ... you are the mother of your son and have him and your DD to think about ... from the teacher's point of view she has 30+ children to think about as well as all her planning, marking, and recording to do. However sympathetic she might or not be ... with all the best will in the world she might not be putting your son first ... does that make sense? Basically, what I mean is, don't be surprised or hurt if she not as sympathetic as you might want her to be ...
Now, chin up ... and good luck on Monday ... let us know how you get on!
Hugs {{{{{{}}}}}}

Ghosty · 23/03/2003 00:38

Sorry ... that chin up thing mad me sound like a cross between someone from Enid Blyton, Joyce Grenfell and my mother ... You know what I mean!!!!

tigermoth · 23/03/2003 10:33

sb34, just wanted to say, please do not feel that this report business is a judgement of your parenting skills. I know how gutted you feel about the teacher's surprise verdict. I have ben there too - firsty with son number one, and possibly with son number two. I've posted elsewhere on this (see hyperactive thread) but basically his new nursery want him to see an SEN person, just for observation, they say - to rule out things and suggest strategies for his behaviour.

I was shocked when I heard about this - he had a problem-free term at his first nursery (I kept in close contact with the staff)and I find him better behaved and easier to cope with than his older brother was when he hit this age. His older brother was never singled out for SEN assessment at nursery.

Yet it was only 10 days after my youngest son started his new nursery that they dropped this bombshell. I find it really difficult to see how they can determine that he might be special needs after this short time. No incidents occurred in those 10 days apart from him being involved in a snowball fight.

Anyway, back to your question, having had my sons at a range of nurseries and schools in our borough, I can say that behavior assessments and strategies vary tons from one place to the next. Your son might just be at a school where they are very keen to put children on report.

And another thing - if that's the case, I bet my bottom dollar that your son is not the only one in his class to be put on report. Whenever my sons are singled out, my first question to the teacer is ' how many others in his class are having this as well'. In one reception class over half the boys were put down for preliminary SEN assesment!! And in my youngest son's nursery, he is one of several in the class of 16 children who will be seeing this SEN person.

Knowing this put things into context better. Unfortunately few teachers will tell you this - you are left to stew and worry that your son is unique.

Ghosty · 23/03/2003 10:40

That is a good point Tigermoth ... especially at that age ...
Sorry that you have had a hard time for your boys too ...

KMG · 23/03/2003 19:13

sb34 - thinking of you tomorrow - hope it goes well. I'm glad you've made plans to be there without dd, should take the pressure off. Will ds be there, or not?

Re talking to other people - it is hard, but sometimes it can be helpful to let others know that you've had some tough times with him. Many people keep it all hushed up, but it can help build relationships if you chat about it. Maybe not immediately when it's causing you such stress, but at a later point. I've been amazed at the school gate when I've said "ds1 is getting on a lot better now, we did have a bumpy ride at first, and he was getting in trouble in the playground" so many others have said that they'd been through it too. As Tigermoth says, I bet your son is not the only one. They may have already heard from their children that your son's been in a bit of bother. And it's good to teach our kids honesty and openness too.

Last week dh related the following scene in the playground:
Georgia (to dh): ds1 is sometimes naughty in school
dh: Oh, are you ever naughty Georgia?
Georgia: Yes I am sometimes
James: I am too, sometimes.

eemie · 23/03/2003 20:41

sb34, when you told the scissors story in the pub the other night the only reason it raised an eyebrow was the cost of the school jumper. My dd adores scissors and will try them on anything whenever she gets the chance, especially anything of mine.

What you told us about your way of handling unwanted behaviour is likely to go down well with sensible teachers.

Hope you find the meeting helpful - maybe look on it as sharing the problem with concerned and well-informed people (just like us of course) who are happy to give you a listening ear? Rather than as an ordeal.

Let us know how it goes and hope to see you again soon,

sb34 · 23/03/2003 23:22

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sb34 · 23/03/2003 23:24

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KMG · 24/03/2003 18:30

How'd it go?

janh · 24/03/2003 19:33

I was wondering too...

sb34 · 24/03/2003 21:18

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janh · 24/03/2003 23:16

You haven't gone on at all, don't worry!

You're right, it is v interesting that he had a better day today when teacher wasn't there - might be a coincidence and not something to mention but one to bear in mind. (Have to say though that when my DS2's class was taken by a substitute who actually likes him - this was when he had The Cow who doesn't like him - he had wonderful days and got buckets of housemarks. It does happen, sb dear!)

Hope this will give you some comfort if it all goes pear-shaped again later. Do you know who he will have next year? I know he is only just past half-way through the year but you'd be surprised how fast it goes.

If you have to take dd to next meeting please try not to worry about what she gets up to during it. You are not a bad parent, you just have a lively boy (which most of them are!)

KMG · 25/03/2003 07:07

How old is dd? At my first real meeting with teacher at crisis point, I had ds2 in tow as well (he was 3). Teacher just told ds1 to sit in the sofa in the library with ds2 and read him a story. I was gobsmacked that they did - not the sort of thing I expected them to do at that age, but school does have a special sort of atmosphere, and that time of day there are plenty of staff around to keep an eye out ... Anyway, that worked really well for us - hope something works for you.

You're not going on - your posts have brought it all back to me, it really is an awful thing to go through. Teachers don't always realise what a huge thing it is for parents to get these sort of first bad reports. .. Ours did - I think he told me 'not to worry' about 5 times in that meeting! ... Your posts have also made me very aware of the good progress ds1 has made, and how lucky we are with his school and with his teacher. So thank you for that at least!

Hope it goes well today, or whenever. Still thinking of you.

Ghosty · 25/03/2003 07:50

Oh SB34 ... how very annoying that she wasn't there! Just keep talking to ds about how he is getting on every day and keep jotting things down as you think of them so you are prepared for when you do see her.
You are doing a great job ... thinking of you .... G XXXXX

sb34 · 25/03/2003 10:40

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KMG · 31/03/2003 13:02

sb34 - Did you ever get to see the teacher? How did you get on? I do keep thinking of you.

sb34 · 01/04/2003 11:09

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KMG · 01/04/2003 19:36

Thanks for posting - hope it goes well on Thurs, if not before. Do let us know.

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