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Surrey County Council Primary School Admissions - Incompetency or Freudian Slip?

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MatBackFeck · 18/11/2008 09:56

I recently completed my online application for primary school admissions for Sept 09 for my son. I have now received an extremely disturbing letter from an Admissions and Transport Officer and am wondering how to interpret it:

I'll try and be brief, there are 4 schools in our area, 1 excellent, 2 good, 1 terrible (failing, about to be merged with a junior school to bring it up - obviously a lot of pressure to send children here as is only one not oversubscribed in area with severe shortage of primary school place - crisis couple of years ago in the press etc etc) lets call them schools A B C and X. We are equidistant between A and X and B and C are next nearest (B is a church school). For school X, apart from reputation, it is not walkable from our house wheras the other 3 are (only access is an unpaved, unlit road cut through the separating range of hills i.e is suicide to walk). So we would not, for both reasons, want school X.

On the form we listed A B C in that order and in the "reasons for this choice" I listed the fact that we could not walk to X as being a reason why we were "preferring" A B or C (would be happy with any) and indicated that X would be unsuitable to us for this reason (health and practicality - son cared for by grandmother when I am working who does not drive and familial history of heart disease (dad died at 50) mean we really want him to be able to walk to school).

So our form says A B C. I received a letter yesterday stating that, if I wanted the medical reason to be taken into account as a "Special Medical Circumstance" I would need to obtain a Consultant's letter (I didn't and indicated this on the form - it was part of my general reasons). The disturbing part is that the letter contains the following lines:

re: Application for Admission to School X
Thank you for your application form stating [blank] School as your first preference
and
Should your application for admission to school X be unsuccessful, your child's name will automatically be placed on the waiting list etc etc

Just to reiterate, a letter thanking me for my application TO A SCHOOL I DID NOT APPLY TO. I have phoned the contact centre who have confirmed that my son has the correct 3 preferences listed against his name on their systems but who were very cagey and would not discuss it further. The person who sent the letter does not start work until 2pm and they have asked her to call me, or, more likely, I will be calling her.

What am I to conclude from this?:

  1. Surrey County Council Admissions and Transport are incompetent idiots and it is an error?
  1. They have immediately pre-allocated him school X (even though they claim no decisions are made at this stage and that it is some inscrutable software application that makes the decisons) and this letter indicates a Freudian slip?
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CountessDracula · 18/11/2008 16:59

You need to escalate it

Nick Wilson is head of Schools and Learning

rolledhedgehog · 18/11/2008 17:00

Oatcake - Is your first choice the church school beginning with A?

Ohh this is like a game...

Dunno about your 2nd choice. It does not begin with O does it? If so you have to live on the doorstep to get in!

I would be wary about only putting 2 choices if the first two are very popular schools unless you are very sure of getting in.

Dominion · 18/11/2008 17:05

So, you listed four schools, with school X as last/least preferred choice?

The individual schools dont know the order of preference. They just get applications, whether they are first or last priority, it is not relevant. It is to prevent a school from denying admission to somebody "because they were not first priority"

Dont worry. Eventually you will be offered a place at one school, and placed on waiting lists on the others (in case the one you got into wasnt your first choice)

I think.

That is how it was in Lambeth a few years ago.

CarGirl · 18/11/2008 17:10

I live in Addlestone & will get my dd in on sibings (they halved the PAN at their infant school & changed to primary) I have nightmares about them making a mistake and her not getting in!!!

policywonk · 18/11/2008 17:14

Sounds stressful (I'm in H*rsh!m too)

Dominion is right about how the 'first preference' thing is supposed to be applied (in theory at least) - each school in your preferred list will consider your application 'blind', as it were, and will make a decision depending on whether or not you meet their criteria. If you don't meet any of their criteria, you go on the waiting lists.

I know it's not ideal, but DS1's at a reasonably popular school, and we know several families who got in through the waiting list within the first term-and-a-half - so if all else fails, it doesn't mean you'll be stuck with X (at least, not for very long).

CarGirl · 18/11/2008 17:18

you lot have just made me go and check my confirmation email again, def have the correct school as 1st preference dd3 is def down as a sibling!

UnfortunatelyMe · 18/11/2008 17:19

The admission thing works slightly different here. You list 4 schools and put them IN ORDER OF PREFERENCE on the sheet. You MAY get a place at all 4 schools...but you will only be offered ONE - the one highest up your list(or school X, every where has a school X)
You are not automatically put on waiting lists.

CarGirl · 18/11/2008 17:23

UnfortunatelyMe that is the same as Surrey apart from we only get to list 3. Each school on the list could in theory offer you a place and yes the council give you the place highest up on your list.

oatcake · 18/11/2008 19:53

hijack...

rolledhedgehog can't get into A - 1 form entry only and we're not regular churchgoers... Shame, it's at the end of our road...

So, nearest apart from WO (No way!), and favourite is C!!! 2nd choice is in E Molesey...

Decipher that!

oatcake · 18/11/2008 20:36

I hope I didn't offend anyone using WO BTW, it's just that it doesn't have the best reputation...

ChukkyPig · 18/11/2008 20:45

Amazed that they have a woman sitting in an office hand typing 30,000 admissions letters! Imagining a little grey old lady with a massive toppling pile of paperwork in front of her! No wonder she cocked it up...

Maybe you should tell them about these newfangled computer machines...

policywonk · 18/11/2008 21:56

oatcake - if the C you're talking about is in Esher, that's a lovely school - I've been publicising it for a couple of years to people who live very near WO!

MatBackFeck · 19/11/2008 09:33

exactly! that is what worries me - it does seem to be a very manual process.

In Surrey you can only list 3 to clarify and they sent me a leeter saying thankyou for your application to a 4th one that I did not apply to - the only one that is not oversubscribed and which they are obviously trying to get people to go to.

CD thanks for that - is Nick Wilson head of Schools and Learning at Surrey County Council do you mean or government? I would really, really like to do something constructive other than whinge on here. I have already discussed it with my SCC Local Councillor who cannot change anything apparently but explained to me about the lack of funding etc and I appreciated th etime he took to do that, came to the house etc. If you have any contact details or suggestions as to what I can do, both about my own individual situation and the ticking timebomb around school places in my area, please let me know. Do you work at SCC?

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rolledhedgehog · 19/11/2008 11:18

Oatcake - C....mmmm the catholic school? I can't think of any others apart from the junior school and it can't be that. We must live close to each other as A is very near us.

Tis a pity you did not try for A as I am pretty sure it will be 2 form entry again next year (has been for last 2 years).

You have made me laugh re WO. We are not at that school but did go and look round just before the new building opened. The Headmaster is very impressive and if anyone can make it a success he can.

CountessDracula · 20/11/2008 10:45

No I don't work for them
I just looked it up on the website

If I don't get a satisfactory response to anything I always go straight to the top. Saves hours of faffing

I once had a real problem with Barclays (their fault)
By lucky hap FIL was friends with their then Chairman.

I said to my account manager
I am having dinner with X (chairman) at the weekend. If you don't sort it before then I will be mentioning your name.

It was sorted instantly

MatBackFeck · 20/11/2008 11:16

good one. They have sent me the corrected letter and a covering letter assuring me it was a typo and has not affected my "choice" of first preference school. I am going to reply thanking them and will cc the head honchos as I will spiel off into what a terrible process it is etc - at least it will go on record with my application and you never know may help at appeal stage etc. To be fair, it must be a tough job sorting through all th eapplications (though havent they got some super computer to do it and that is why all decisions are right and unquestionable ). Anyway, sorted as far as it can be for now I think, Thanks all for your input, invaluable as ever.

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