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can anyone recommend a good 6th form college in Crawley West Sussex area?

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mumoverseas · 28/10/2008 14:55

DS currently in year 10 at school in Middle East. Although the school is now offering A levels they are very limited and we are therefore sending him back to the UK next year for A levels. We were looking at a few really good private colleges but we've just realised what silly money it is and need to look at other options. Any recommendations for schools in Crawley/Horley and surrounding areas?

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hatrickortreat · 28/10/2008 14:57

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Tortington · 28/10/2008 14:57

i am not altogether sure of the 6th form hierarchy, but i am under the impression that worthing is pretty good - like up there IYKWIM.

i have one going to worthing next year and one going to chichester. - i think chichester is for the thick -er kids

Tortington · 28/10/2008 14:58

bhasvic is a bit trendy is it not - in brighton?

mumoverseas · 28/10/2008 15:12

thanks for those suggestions, will get looking into those. Does anyone know if sixth form colleges have catchment area rules too?

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hatrickortreat · 28/10/2008 15:15

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lg08 · 28/10/2008 15:18

I second collyers! I went there to do A-levels and did better there than at my private school.

hatrickortreat · 28/10/2008 15:25

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LIZS · 28/10/2008 15:30

Reigate Sixth form College services the Horley area as the comp (Oakwood) has no 6th form

mumoverseas · 28/10/2008 15:41

thank you everyone. Have just looked at Collyers and sent them an email requesting an application form. He had his heart set on Hurstpierpoint which although is probably lovely, is also £8,000 a term! Bearing in mind DH and I are expecting DC4 we have (finally!) realised that Hurst really isn't an option unless we sell our souls (and several children!)
Interesting regarding your private school lg08. wasn't Hurst was it?

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mumoverseas · 28/10/2008 15:44

We've looked into Reigate sixth form Lizs and he is currently registered but they are being difficult about interview dates (wanted him to fly 3,000 this week for an interview which he coudln't do as he has his Maths GCSE next week) and also, they may be treating him as a 'foreign' student, therefore fee paying as he was out of the UK for 2 years even though we still own a property in the area, are paying tax and NI (and council tax to have our bins emptied about 5 times a year!) and are still legally UK residents! Thats why we are looking for plans B, C ....

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LIZS · 28/10/2008 17:25

That's odd, Reigate 6th form is state though(as opposed to the Grammar). Is it just SCC being awkward ? St Bedes in Redhill has a 6th form iirc - places like golddust though. How about Christ's Hospital as they subsidise places or even Steyning Grammar (state boarding)

mumoverseas · 28/10/2008 17:40

Think its SCC being awkward. It is a state school but in the application form it says you must confirm you've been resident in the UK for the last 3 years or you will/may have to pay fees. We've not been able to get this clarified yet but I'm hoping to go and see someone there when back in the UK next month. I appreciate that 'overseas' students should potentially have to pay school fees but feel it is unfair when we are technically UK residents and pay all our taxes etc only to be told we are not UK residents. Bloody red tape! will look into your other suggestions. Thanks

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mumoverseas · 29/10/2008 11:55

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU those of you that suggested Collyers. I emailed them last night and got a reply this morning and since then have had several mails from them. They are going out of their way to be helpful and have agreed to interview DS and give us a tour of the school next month when 'home' in UK rather than insisting on the February/March interview like some other schools. Very pleased with such a positive result!

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titchy · 29/10/2008 12:56

The 3 year domiciled rule is standard for colleges and univesities I'm afraid... Nationality, right of residence, tax paying etc are nothing to do with whether you pay home or overseas fees, so be warned. You'll have the same issue with fees for university too...

sunnydelight · 30/10/2008 07:31

I'd second wht titchy says. I go on an expats site a lot and quite a few people have been horrified to realise that their English kids are liable for international fees if they go back to the UK for uni. I'm not saying that Collyers wouldn't be helpful anyway, but they might be being very accommodating at the thought of those overseas fees - might be worth checking before your son looks round and falls in love with the place.

lg08 · 30/10/2008 07:59

mumoverseas - no my private school wasn't Hurst, but it was part of that same group of private schools. The school has now closed, which doesn't say much for it really! I was happy at collyers, so I hope your DS will be too. Good luck!

mumoverseas · 30/10/2008 09:42

thanks for that. Sunnydelight, are you able to recommend a good expats site? Need to do further investigation!

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sunnydelight · 03/11/2008 23:40

Sorry, just saw this mumoverseas. British Expats is a good source of info - you'll always find someone who has been in the same boat and you can search for specific topics. Search for posts by Ezzie, she has a lot to say on the subject at the moment as she wants to return to the UK with her teenagers.

scaryteacher · 04/11/2008 07:53

It's Hampshire, not Sussex, but have you looked at Peter Symonds' in Winchester? It's a state sixth form, with boarding for expat, diplomat and Forces kids, and the Falkland Island kids go there as well for A levels. It gets really good results.

I'm planning on sending ds there when he does sixth form, rather than keeping him here. I also went there last century and had a great time.

mumoverseas · 05/11/2008 07:53

thanks for all your replies and suggestions. Will try british expats and look into the Winchester one. We might however be getting somewhere though as after days of frantic research, we've found some caselaw regarding similar situations where it was held that the student in question WAS a uk resident and therefore entitled to free education and they had less ties to the UK than us! Watch this space!

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scaryteacher · 05/11/2008 08:49

Your domicile is different to residency. I am non-resident in the UK, but the UK is my domicile, as that is where my house is and I am a UK national.

I found this on the DCSF website re: higher education funding, and this for 2008/9, so you could argue the same.

Temporary employment outside of the United Kingdom and Islands
54. Paragraph 1(4) of Part 1 of Schedule 1 makes provision for students who or whose family members have been temporarily employed outside of England or the United Kingdom and Islands, (or the EEA, Switzerland and Turkey as appropriate).
55. Paragraph 1(4) provides that a person may be treated as being or having been ordinarily resident in England or the United Kingdom and Islands (or the EEA, Switzerland and Turkey as appropriate) if he would have been so resident but for the fact that he, his spouse or civil partner or his parent, or in the case of a dependant relative, his child or child?s spouse or civil partner was temporarily employed outside of England or the United Kingdom and Islands (or the EEA, Switzerland and Turkey) during the three year period.

Possible considerations when establishing temporary absence
60. In reaching a judgement, LAs/SLC will wish to satisfy themselves that the period abroad arises from employment; judge whether or not the absence is temporary; and decide whether, but for the employment of the applicant (or parents or spouse/civil partners etc.), he or she would have been ordinarily resident in the relevant place. In making their decision, LAs/SLC may wish to consider among other things, the nature of the posting; the terms of any contract or employer's letter; the period of time spent abroad; the time spent in this country; and whether a residence has been maintained in the UK (or as the case may be EEA, Switzerland and Turkey).
61. The onus is on the applicant to satisfy the authority that: his absence was due to employment abroad; and this employment was temporary; and were it not for temporary employment abroad he would be ordinarily resident in England or the United Kingdom and Islands (or the EEA, Switzerland and Turkey as appropriate).
62. In determining whether the absence was for purposes of employment but the applicant was not in employment immediately after moving overseas the LA/SLC may wish to consider:
ï‚§ Whether the applicant had applied for jobs prior to his or her departure;
ï‚§ The length of the time spent overseas before obtaining work;
ï‚§ Whether he or she resided in the same overseas country before and after obtaining a job;
ï‚§ What the applicant was doing prior to obtaining a job, or between jobs.
ï‚§ In determining whether the employment was temporary or permanent, the LA/SLC should consider:
The nature of the contract:
ï‚§ Does the contract include liability for UK (or EEA, Switzerland and Turkey) tax on earnings?
ï‚§ Is the posting for a specified period? If it is for an unspecified period, what is the reason for this?
ï‚§ How long is the contractual period?
ï‚§ Is the contract renewable? Would it be normal or unusual for the contract to be renewed on its completion? Has the contract already been renewed or is it one of a succession of contracts abroad?
ï‚§ Does the contract convey automatic rights of return to this country from time to time?
ï‚§ If there is no contractual period, how long has the employee already been resident abroad

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Determining whether an applicant would have been ordinarily resident but for his temporary employment abroad
64. The applicant should be able to demonstrate that, other than for the temporary employment abroad, he or she would have been ordinarily resident here during the prescribed period. In some cases, an authority may judge that a statement of intention will provide sufficient evidence:
ï‚§ Ownership of property ? although in many cases, this will provide sufficient evidence that an applicant would otherwise have been ordinarily resident here, in some cases it will not. For example, a property may simply be an investment or be intended for occupation only on retirement following a considerable period abroad. Non-ownership of property in the UK and Islands, (or EEA and Switzerland as appropriate), should not be taken to exclude an applicant;

Hope that helps - sorry it was long

mumoverseas · 05/11/2008 10:31

scaryteacher, you are a star! If you are a teacher, I wish you taught my DS as most of his teachers are idiots! Also, maybe you should become a lawyer! I'm a lawyer and know a bit about domicile/habitual residence/residence but to be honest, what we are getting told about/by various colleges does not tie in with actual legal definition. Odd! Thanks for that, will look into it

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scaryteacher · 05/11/2008 12:16

Yes, I am a teacher, but not working at present. Don't want to do law...starting my MA in January in another subject!

I will have the same problem for my ds when I move him back for sixth form, but my advantage is that we are HM Forces, so ds HAS to be given a place and I can't be charged overseas fees.

sunnydelight · 06/11/2008 08:24

Ooh, that's interesting scaryteacher. From my reading of it then (from an expat in Australia point of view) people who came over on a 457 (business visa) could probably argue it quite successfully, but if they came as Permanent Residents from the outset it would be unlikely they would have a case.

I went back to university to do the CPE then found out I was pregnant with DD 2 weeks before my finals! I think of myself as a frustrated lawyer

mumoverseas · 06/11/2008 08:45

ooh, I'm a frustrated lawyer too sunnydelight (but one that is frustrated by all this crap!) have you not thought about carrying on with it? A friend of mine found she was pregnant when at uni, had her DS then when starting studying again she found out she was pregnant again. 2 DS and about 12 years later she carried on and qualifies as a solicitor next month! Its never too late!

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