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Part time Teachers / Support staff

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Whizzz · 03/10/2008 18:41

how do you go on if training that you want to do is held outside of your normal hours - do you / would you get paid for attending or would you be expected to attend in your own time?

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MrsBauer · 03/10/2008 22:29

I get paid . Full time staff would not be expected to attend training on top of their hours.

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Whizzz · 03/10/2008 22:51

No, but Full time staff would be paid anyway if the training was inside their normal working hours.
Just doing a quick survey here

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cornsilk · 03/10/2008 22:52

I always got paid.

cornsilk · 03/10/2008 22:53

how's the course going whizz?

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Whizzz · 03/10/2008 22:56

It's hard work Cornsilk, thanks for asking. Just about to start my practical 1-1 teaching - still slogging on (all in my own time )

Us part timers aren't going to be paid if we want to attend after school CPD groups....what a wonderful HT we have

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cornsilk · 03/10/2008 22:59

that's so unfair - c'est la vie in the world of education though!

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Whizzz · 03/10/2008 23:01

yup - ....part timers....know your place.
Wouldn't mind - we work every day but just the school teaching hours, we aren't paid to sit around after school and drink coffee supervise after school clubs

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cornsilk · 03/10/2008 23:03

hmm - don't I know it!

MrsBauer · 03/10/2008 23:34

Sorry that's what I meant about F/T staff, they are paid they wouldn't be asked to attend a course on a Saturday AND not get paid, So why should P/T staff be asked/expected to do it outside their working hours with no pay. Sounds like you have my old head Whizz. Very unfair

madrose · 03/10/2008 23:36

paid

fivecandles · 04/10/2008 14:37

If it's school-based INSET you're supposed to do the same percentage of it as your percentage of hours IYSIM. So if you work 2/3 of a timetable you do 2/3 of the INSET. You should be allowed to negotiate which days you attend and if your school is flexible they should try to get you to go to the days you would be in anyway and not the ones you wouldn't.

As far as external training goes I don't think you should be expected to go on days when you wouldn't work but if you choose to go then I don't know that you are eligible to extra pay. Most ptimers I know wouldn't go on any training on their days off. I'm a bit more tricky because I work part time but have no whole day off so if a training day cut into my hours off I probably wouldn't mind as long as I ocud sort childcare out.

MaloryDontDiveItsShallow · 04/10/2008 14:41

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popsycal · 04/10/2008 14:46

i usually go but not paid as not officalilly expectedd to...

officially though you should be paid

popsycal · 04/10/2008 14:48

noww though, i stick to 2/5 of insets as i work 2 dayd a week
but if the 3rd inset is on a work day, i am suupposed to attend....

NotCod · 04/10/2008 14:48

they pay or i dont go

bigTillyMint · 04/10/2008 16:16

I try to go to all, even if not on my days. If it's not one of my days, I can take my kids along and take a day in lieu, but not get paid.

foofi · 04/10/2008 16:50

If it's not one of my days we can claim supply rates.

fizzbuzz · 04/10/2008 17:23

I get paid on supply rates..

All this is such a grey area. Eg id I work 80% timetable, am I supposed to do 80% of all meetigs and parents evenings or 100%?

What about twilights? I attend 100% of those as well

SqueakyPop · 04/10/2008 17:46

I think that part-time teachers' pay is a real pressure point in schools. As a full-time teacher, I get don't get paid for specific tasks I do. I just get on with it.

Part-time teachers basically get paid for the lessons they teach, with a pro-rata of frees. It is kosher on paper, but not in reality.

If you want to do a course, you can either wait for one to come around that takes place during your working hours, negotiate time off in lieu, or ask for pay. Asking for pay is basically turning you into an hourly paid employee instead of a professional.

The various union website should tell you what your legal rights are, but these may not be to your benefit vs career development.

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Whizzz · 05/10/2008 09:18

Thanks all - I work every day but finish when the teaching ends -full timers are paid to stay for an hour or two after school - hence they get the opportunity to attend workshops etc in their normal working day, us PT don't & therefore miss out on the info / networking etc. I pro-rata the insets but personally I think if we want to attend after school stuff so that it benefits us & the school, we should be paid for it.

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RupertTheBear · 05/10/2008 09:25

Training days - I go to the ones that fall on the days I work but not the ones that don't. Officially I have to go to three out of the five each year and this tends to work out.
Courses that fall on days I don't work I get paid for or I could opt to have a day off in lieu. I certainly wouldn't go if I didn't get paid for it.

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Whizzz · 05/10/2008 09:36

But RTB, don't you think that if it was something you were interested in as part of your own CPD and you wanted to attend, then you should be paid for it?

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RupertTheBear · 05/10/2008 09:42

Yes I do - and I am sure my head would pay me. But she is very reasonable and I appreciate that there are many heads who aren't. I would be wary of setting the precedent of going to training without pay as then I would worry that everyone would be expected to do the same.

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Whizzz · 05/10/2008 09:49

I know that's what bothers me. It does discriminate against PT workers though. Just goes to show how little we are thought of

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RupertTheBear · 05/10/2008 09:53

Oh it's so obvious that our head is irritated by PT workers. However she has spent the last few years employing young women (cos we were cheap) and she is now paying the price as more and more of us request PT hours after starting a family. I think she realises that she gets a lot more work out of two PT teachers job sharing than one full time teacher cos we all definitely do more than our part time hours.