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Word of warning to anyone with a late August DC wishing they could hold them back a year

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isgrassgreener · 26/09/2008 04:41

DS has a late August birthday, was held back a year in reception (basically did reception twice) because he was unhappy and not mature enough.
Now he is in year 6 and we have to apply to secondary school. We are faced with so much confusion about if he will be accepted out of year. LEA can't/won't say for sure that everything will be ok. One headteacher is saying that it will have to be decided by the govenors, another says it may be a problem as he will have to be on the roll of year 8 instead of year 7 and all my local choices are oversubscribed, another said it would also mean that he would not be able to go to 6th form as he would only be funded for one year
Overall it is a mess, not something that you need when you are trying to secure a secondary place
Had I realised the problems ahead I would never have agreed to take him out of year

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Pushpinia · 26/09/2008 05:59

Oh you poor things

Fwiw I think most schools are reluctant now to accept an older child into reception - they will generally defer but then the child will go directly into year one.

But I know that some parents do place their child in a different year as they think it is best for that child - and the authoritied do nothing but make problems for them, I can see that is the case in your situation - I wish I could offer advice. It sounds horrid.

Hope it all works out x

Furball · 26/09/2008 07:20

I've heard before that children held back then have to leapfrog a year to get back to where they were, which is outragious and totally unfair on the child. They were held back for a reason, jumping them forward is no help to anyone and they will have missed being taught what his former year group learnt so will be in an even worse situation.

Good Luck with it, I don't know why the LEA can't bend rules sometimes, I know others will say they have to set an example but surely each child deserves an education that will actually educate.

Don't know if your local MP can help?? maybe make them aware and see if abit of weight on your side could sway the LEA, just a thought.

fizzbuzz · 26/09/2008 08:30

I teach secondary school. We have only ever had one student kept behind a year. He was a refugee and no one knew how old he was. When his real age as discovered he was moved up to the next year.

However, we also have kids from other countris who can't speak much English. They are alays placed in the right year for their age group. They usually manage to cope well, and often end up with good GCSE's. So putting him in the right year for his age may not be that scary.

However, if you were informed wrongly in the first place, and weren't made aware of the potential problems, I would say you were given bad advice. I think you need a face to face meeting with the LEA. They are legally obiged to educate your child.

Loads of sympathy. My dd is a late July baby

SlurZoom · 26/09/2008 08:33

Thank you for posting it is interesting to know that - though big sympathies for your ds.

could they be some ways of easing him into y8?

lingle · 26/09/2008 09:09

Thanks for the warning. Tell them that you had a "legitimate expectation" that he would continue in the year group to which he had been assigned.

Could you please post something similar on the general support thread re school starting age which is at www.mumsnet.com/Talk/2403/610132

It is full of August birthday mums. And we need to know what we're up against with these LEAs.

marmadukescarlet · 26/09/2008 09:12

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/2403/610132

fircone · 26/09/2008 09:12

I was only last night bleating to dh that I would like dd to repeat a year - now I suppose I shall have to think again.

teslagirl · 26/09/2008 10:20

Maybe we Mnetters should get up an e-petition to Downing Street? Not sure how we'd word it but the gist would be that where a child's best interests were at stake, LEAs should be obliged to look sympathetically at a properly researched request that a given DC should be allowed to repeat a year or start school a year later WITHOUT prejudicing its future education.

It is yet another symptom of what's 'wrong' with our education system, this ridiculous 'One Size Fits All'.

DS2 is early May thus not SO 'late' but his infant school and I both agreed heartily at the end of Yr 1 that he would have been so much better served by repeating YR but we all knew the possible consequences so hadn't. He's doing 'OK' in the juniors but he will always struggle to keep up because just as he's grasped something- the 'class' has already moved on. This can do real damage to a DC's confidence and I believe, perhaps controversially, is a BIG factor in why so many particularly boys from less well supported backgrounds, give up- with all the predictable consequences.

Of course, there's every chance as DS such as mine will undergo a 'maturity and understanding' spurt- and everything will be fine, but surely there could also be accommodation to move a 'Year Behinder' up to their 'proper' year if that were to happen?

I am not suggesting that every middle class mommy wishing to 'buy' her DC advantage by putting their perfectly able and appropriately mature DC BACK a year so it will obviously shine amongst its younger peers should be entertained (in some Oz private schools, the practice was SO rampant they had to change sports teams from 'Year 6', 'Year 7' etc to 'Under 8's', 'Under 9's' to level the playing field as they had SO many strapping great lads upto 2 years older and bigger than their team mates playing in the same Year group!) but surely if a teacher, the school, the governors and the parent feel that way (and even the DC in some cases!), it's in everyone's interest to go that way.

Saggarmakersbottomknocker · 26/09/2008 10:42

I agree with fizzbuzz - you were given bad advice. It was OK for him to redo a year but school should have reintegrated him into his correct year at sometime during his time at primary.

lingle · 26/09/2008 11:11

Tesla if you feel able to "start" the petition I promise to sign.

I think you can do it on the Downing Street website?

I think that in Bradford, you can start reception a year late but what you can't do is repeat a year..... which is the OP's problem. So I, for instance, can't test the waters by putting DS2 into reception next year because I'll have burnt my boats.

clam · 26/09/2008 18:58

Just wondering why your primary school head didn't flag up the potential difficulty when his 'real' peer group were applying for secondary school last year. If they must jump back to their age group, I would think that it's slightly easier to jump from Year 5 to Year 7, than from Year 6 to Year 8. If only because he's missed all the transition procedures to ease the move.

Hulababy · 26/09/2008 20:48

Have taught in two secondary schools and both had at least one child that I was aware of in the "wrong" year group = both due to learning difficulties spotted earlier on in primary. No idea if there were issues getting the children into the secondary schools (one was a highly over subscribed school though) but once in there were definitely no problems. Most colleges after school finishes won't care.

mrz · 27/09/2008 18:23

IME children who remain a year behind in primary either have to miss their first year in secondary or leave at 16 (possibly missing GCSE exams) I have no experience of this happening except with children with severe SEN.

isgrassgreener · 29/09/2008 10:45

Thank you for all of your replies, sorry it has taken me so long to return, but I have been away for the weekend. It was lovely to go away and not worry about schools!
I spoke to someone at school today and they have said that they will try and get some help from the LEA on our behalf. I really hope that they will take it up for us and make sure that it can be resolved.
Moving DS up to year 8 is not an option we would consider at all, he already struggles with some of the work and there is no way he could cope with being moved up a whole year.
If the local schools will not accept him then our only option would be to send him to a sympathetic private school, but this would mean real financial hardship for us.
The school did not make us aware that we could have issues when we moved him, they only said that it could be an issue at the end of his GCSE year, as he would be 16 in the August and would be legally allowed to leave school before taking his exams.
I did ask last year, when all his old classmates were applying for secondary schools, if we would be ok and the general advice was that it would be fine.
I will be so cross if we can't get in or have to go to appeal, we live in an area that has very small catchment areas and the two local schools are very oversubscribed and I always thought that we would be ok as we stand a very good chance of getting into one or the other of them, as we live in the catchment area.
Now I will be worried until March of next year

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bigTillyMint · 29/09/2008 11:36

OH you poor thing, makes all my worries about sec school next year pale into insignificance.

Good Luck

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