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ds attacked his friend at school - please read and help - pull him out of school before investigation is over?

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PixelPuma · 22/02/2026 16:13

I'm aware thus is long I've bolded the issue/important bits at the bottom if you want to just read that and skip the rest.

My son is 13 and the youngest in his year (Aug 30). We moved back to the uk in January of yr 7, 2 years ago. The school isn't the greatest OFSTED wise and from now what we've experienced but it was the only one with space at the time of moving

We moved from Poland, so ds obviously had an accent though his English is fine. From the moment he started he was badly bullied and I spent a lot of time going up the school and calling which I think they saw me as a nuisance tbh and didn't take it seriously.

After putting up with being attacked verbally and physically on occasion he had had enough and when a boy grabbed him and shoved him into a gate and then punched him in the head because he was a “loner with no friends” DS got up and hit him back which the school strongly “discorage” so they were reluctant to do a lot.

And another occasion there was a group of older boys hassling him daily, I reported this to the school but nothing was done as around teachers they were getting along (obviously). I got a call one day from the assistant HOY saying she’d sent my son home 15 minutes early as during lunch he'd got into a “fight” with a group of older boys and one of the boys had came off worse - she felt. But he was sent home as she was worried there’d be more trouble on the way home. She told me he wouldn't be allowed to behave like this on the street as an adult as he’d be arrested. I found out from DS that the boys who had been bothering him for weeks had turned physical, one of them was restraining him whilst the other 2 hit him and tipped his water over him. DS said he somehow managed to break free and pushed the boy that was restraining him into a bush causing his face to get a scratch which the assistant HOY said it could've gone into his eye (”coming off worse”) and therefore my son was being punished. I ended up emailing and asking why DS - a 12 year old (beginning of Y8) was being punished when 3 bigger and older boys (14/15) were attacking him and he would surely have the right to defend himself on the street as an adult. I also asked if they really thought DS was the problem why did they send HIM home early to avoid anything happening to my son on the way home ? In the end DS wasn't punished but nor were the other boys.

So as you can see I have little faith in the school but there were still no spaces, I was even desperate and asked if he could be put in the year below if they had spaces but they said it doesn't work like that as he needs to be with his cohort even though if he was born 2 days later he would be with those younger children anyway.

The issues seemed to resolve itself and he became friends with a boy and his friendship group except this is where the issue of this post starts. I'll refer to the boy in question as J. For a while I thought great, he had friends and seemed to be doing better but DS is extremely quiet and J is charismatic and is much more confident than my son so therefore about to get the others “on his side” and to ignore DS whenever he spoke to them, only on 2 occasions but it still upset DS.

The first occasion was over the October halfterm, I could tell something was wrong and he told me that J has tried to kiss him a few months prior but DS had moved away, but because ds had been reluctant to go to his house he had tried to isolate my son from his own friends, gossiping about him and telling them that my son had kissed him and was being weird with him and encouraging the other boys to ignore him which they had been doing.

Another boy encouraged my son to talk to him about his problems with J which he did but then he screenshot it and sent it all to J, which caused major drama and J sent a photo of him “cutting” (ketchup) saying DS made him to it. But then they quickly made up and all was right

Then in Jan, J fell out with another boy(s) and again turned the others against them, ds told me whenever they were at school and he tried to go near the people he's “not allowed” to talk to J drags him away. I told DS he could talk to whoever he wanted as J was beginning to sound like a bully and not a good friend. ds ignored this.

Now the issue. On the Friday before half term I got a call from school, an hour before half term during PE my son had attacked J seemingly unprovoked, he shoved him to the floor and kicked him in the stomach more than once. The PE teacher was around but not directly supervising their group and because it was so close to half term they sent him home but have to investigate what happened this week but have said not to send DS whilst the investigation is going on or he can go in but he'll be in isolation during the investigation especially as this isn't the first time he's been violent. I know I'm biased but this is out of character for him to be violent for no reason, he's not said why he did it to me or the school, he says it doesn't matter now as they're friends but it won't look like that to the school. They'll take statements from J and the other witnesses. I've stopped my son going out with J this week which he's hated and said it's unfair.

What would you do? I'm tempted to just pull him out before the investigation is over but he has no school to go to or anything. I'm so stressed. I've not been sleeping all week

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Octavia64 · 22/02/2026 16:24

Don’t pull him out. Not yet anyway.

this is quite a tricky situation for you as while there’s obviously been bad behaviour from multiple people towards your son the attack on J is clearly violent.

secondary schools need to deal with and be seen to deal with violence and kicking someone in the stomach is pretty high up on the normal scale of school violence the vast majority of which is scuffles etc.

the investigation will take written statements of what happened and will try to find out if there was any provocation etc.

it is possible they may offer him a managed move - it doesn’t sound like he likes this school and a fresh start would probably be a good idea. If they do I’d grab it with both hands.

Daleksatemyshed · 22/02/2026 16:31

I'd ask for the managed move Op, it would be a good thing to get your DS away from J, it sounds like an unhealthy friendship and your DS would be better off with a clean start somewhere else

PixelPuma · 22/02/2026 16:41

It just came completely out of the blue as ds seemed to be doing well and apart from J trying to isolate him from the others, he was happy going to school etc. They are going to take statements from J and the witnesses but my son doesn't seem to care. He just says they've made up so it doesn't matter and wanted to go out with him during this half term week

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PixelPuma · 22/02/2026 17:01

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TheWonderhorse · 22/02/2026 17:01

I think my biggest concern would by how normal this violence is becoming. DS is not bothered about his behaviour or the potential consequences.

He needs to take responsibility so you absolutely need to leave him in school so that he gets a punishment which might make him think. This is more than a school issue, this is concerning for his future.

Do you think they're in a romantic relationship? If so that's even worse in my opinion, because it sounds toxic and he needs to learn how to be a considerate partner.

I feel for you OP.

BrentfordForever · 22/02/2026 17:03

But if your son doesn’t care this is a problem you need to address, he needs to stay away.

BoredZelda · 22/02/2026 17:15

It seems strange to say the violence is completely out of character as previously when your son was provoked, he was violent. You can call it self defence, but it is still him getting physical with another student. This too could be seen as self defence as it was a physical reaction to what appears to be emotional bullying, but it is still violence. The school have him labelled as a violent child and that will follow him. He needs to find another way to deal with being bullied, or he will keep being in trouble for being violent.

I would definitely be looking to move him out of either the school or the year. There is no reason why he can’t go down a year, but would that help? He will then always be known as the kid who repeated a year and these boys will still be there. The school need to deal with bullying far more effectively but again, I’m not sure how that will help your child in the long run.

PixelPuma · 22/02/2026 17:33

TheWonderhorse · 22/02/2026 17:01

I think my biggest concern would by how normal this violence is becoming. DS is not bothered about his behaviour or the potential consequences.

He needs to take responsibility so you absolutely need to leave him in school so that he gets a punishment which might make him think. This is more than a school issue, this is concerning for his future.

Do you think they're in a romantic relationship? If so that's even worse in my opinion, because it sounds toxic and he needs to learn how to be a considerate partner.

I feel for you OP.

I worry that it'll end up being on his record and no other school will take him even if they did have a place for him his current school is definitely one of the worst so a much better school won't want him. I worry It'll be an exclusion especially if he won't give his version of events he’ll be seen as not co operating. Also worried that if J also doesn't give his version it'll look like ds has forced him because they're now friends - which I don't think he has but it won't seem like that to the school. Also due to how he kicked him when he was on the floor - if it was just a shove to the floor the school mightve been more lenient

I don't think they're in a relationship ds told me about J trying to kiss him and that was it. I check his phone periodically and I did see a message from J saying “wanna have sex?” and ds seemed to ignore/brush it off and he did send some strange messages but he has always been a bit inappropriate with his behaviour. He once rang our bell and asked for “the prostitute service” and that was when he knew he’d be recorded.

@BoredZeldait was out of character if it was unprovoked. I asked if he could be moved down when he was in year 8 - I asked the other schools that had no space in year 8 if he could be put in year 7 if they had space in that year but was told no even though he's only 2 days off.

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PixelPuma · 22/02/2026 17:59

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Buscobel · 22/02/2026 18:03

I think that if you remove him from school now, it will be very difficult to find another placement for him. If you decide to do that, the authority has no obligation to find alternative provision.
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It does depend on what happens when the school investigates. They may try to put a managed move in place and that would be an opportunity for a fresh start. They may exclude him for a fixed term and I’d hope that it would be enough of a shock that he would think very carefully about his behaviour in future. They may opt for a permanent expulsion, so the local authority would be obliged to offer some sort of education for him.

They may also decide that they will give him another chance, having investigated everything, in which case he’d better make sure he isn’t violent again.

Your other alternative is to home educate.

thismummydrinksgin · 22/02/2026 18:09

Agree with previous poster, ask for a managed move. You could suggest schools that you feel he could try. It sounds like the situation is a ticking time bomb. With all those incidents it sounds like a matter of time before he is excluded and that’s not good for him. I’d get in first and move him, he’s not doing well there, he’s not thriving and you have no confidence in the school. I’d draft an email tonight and send it, asking for a managers move to X school if possible for the reasons you have set out.

BrentfordForever · 22/02/2026 18:13

PixelPuma · 22/02/2026 17:33

I worry that it'll end up being on his record and no other school will take him even if they did have a place for him his current school is definitely one of the worst so a much better school won't want him. I worry It'll be an exclusion especially if he won't give his version of events he’ll be seen as not co operating. Also worried that if J also doesn't give his version it'll look like ds has forced him because they're now friends - which I don't think he has but it won't seem like that to the school. Also due to how he kicked him when he was on the floor - if it was just a shove to the floor the school mightve been more lenient

I don't think they're in a relationship ds told me about J trying to kiss him and that was it. I check his phone periodically and I did see a message from J saying “wanna have sex?” and ds seemed to ignore/brush it off and he did send some strange messages but he has always been a bit inappropriate with his behaviour. He once rang our bell and asked for “the prostitute service” and that was when he knew he’d be recorded.

@BoredZeldait was out of character if it was unprovoked. I asked if he could be moved down when he was in year 8 - I asked the other schools that had no space in year 8 if he could be put in year 7 if they had space in that year but was told no even though he's only 2 days off.

I think if a kid rings your doorbell asking for this particular service or if he’s sending this kind of message to your DS, it’s pretty likely it ll end into trouble

perhaps good learning for him to identify a potentially disastrous friendship and for you to support him steer away from it..

Pettifogg · 22/02/2026 18:13

While you wait for the investigation to be finished, put applications in to all other local schools. For data protection reasons, they do not need to know about your son's friendship issues until he is offered a place. And they can't withdraw an offer once it has been made (unless they can make a case that they already have too many children in that cohort with challenging behaviour, but that is rare).

J sounds unpleasant and my advice is to work with your son's current school while you look elsewhere.

PixelPuma · 22/02/2026 18:44

I'm just worried that once the school sent his record etc to a new school they wouldn't want him and that's if they have space anyway, the schools here are all oversubscribed. He's generally well behaved and after the initial year 7 beginning of y8 struggle he's been doing well

I have tried to tell ds he is allowed to talk to whoever etc after J had been dragging him away from the friend(s) he's not “allowed” to talk to but J would then turn the others against him and he’d have no friends.

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PixelPuma · 22/02/2026 20:04

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Happytaytos · 22/02/2026 20:57

Generally well behaved kids don't get into anywhere near this amount of trouble, multiple times, for violence.

You need to let the investigation happen. It is incredibly unlikely he will be permanently excluded for it. Likely a fixed term exclusion of 1-2 days.

J doesn't sound like a positive influence on anyone. It's good you're putting distance between him and your son.

PixelPuma · 22/02/2026 21:20

The 2 incidents were in year7 & the start of year 8, he's quiet and sensitive and always does his homework on time.

I worry about him being excluded even if it's just 1 or 2 days it's still on his record and he'll have a label

I'm already dreading Tuesday

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yetiflowerpumpkin · 22/02/2026 21:38

The fact your DS won’t even say why he kicked J when on the floor is concerning, esp as he’s not telling you. Why do you think he doesn’t want to tell you @PixelPuma?
Is your DS able to see that his reaction in kicking J the way he did is unacceptable?

What was DS like in primary?

PixelPuma · 22/02/2026 22:25

yetiflowerpumpkin · 22/02/2026 21:38

The fact your DS won’t even say why he kicked J when on the floor is concerning, esp as he’s not telling you. Why do you think he doesn’t want to tell you @PixelPuma?
Is your DS able to see that his reaction in kicking J the way he did is unacceptable?

What was DS like in primary?

I don't know why he isn't telling me. On the Friday he was taken somewhere to sit and calm down (head of year I think) while they called me and he wouldn't say what happened then either but school said they'd get his statement when he's back on Tuesday as they will with J and the witnesses etc as the PE teacher didn't see what happened before all he saw was my son kicking J on the floor
He has said he's apologised to J and J has apparently forgiven him

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TheWonderhorse · 23/02/2026 08:45

Have you had this conversation with the school? Do they know about the sexual messages? I think that they can't get a handle on the dynamics between them without that information. Of course DS can't react violently to J, but maybe there's a solution that puts some distance between them in school. The friendship isn't healthy, and is teaching DS that assault is a normal part of relationships. I would worry about that.

prh47bridge · 23/02/2026 09:06

PixelPuma · 22/02/2026 18:44

I'm just worried that once the school sent his record etc to a new school they wouldn't want him and that's if they have space anyway, the schools here are all oversubscribed. He's generally well behaved and after the initial year 7 beginning of y8 struggle he's been doing well

I have tried to tell ds he is allowed to talk to whoever etc after J had been dragging him away from the friend(s) he's not “allowed” to talk to but J would then turn the others against him and he’d have no friends.

A school cannot refuse to admit your son based on his disciplinary record unless he has been permanently excluded from two or more schools or they class his behaviour as challenging and they already have a particularly high proportion of pupils with challenging behaviour or previously permanently excluded pupils compared to other local schools. They certainly cannot refuse to admit him just because he has a fixed term exclusion on his record.

My view is that you should let the investigation run its course. However, the relationship with J sounds toxic. You need to be careful with this. You don't want to simply drive it underground. And there is also the issue of bullying, which it seems the school has not adequately addressed. I would start looking at other schools while the investigation is proceeding.

JoMumsnet · 23/02/2026 09:57

Hi all, thanks to everyone who's responded so far.

The OP's posted a more concise version of this thread and has asked us to close this one so any further replies will all be in one place.

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