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itsnotfairisit · 14/01/2026 09:16

Just listened. Very interesting. Seems to be a sector in flux anyway, battling for pupils in an environment with a falling birth rate.
they are businesses after all.

6thformoptions · 16/01/2026 10:42

Was this Money Box? Our school has been charging the full 20% since it was announced, which with a boarder is appx 10k pa currently. The trouble is parents with SEN kids who can't handle state schools would rather go into debt to keep their kids in education.

dipsticked · 16/01/2026 11:28

@SpringBulbsPop your link took me to Radio 4 live so all I got was an episode of the Food Programme about fermentation. 🙂

BertieWoostersChaps · 16/01/2026 12:16

Could someone post the link please? It's not working for me. Which programme is it? Thanks

itsnotfairisit · 16/01/2026 13:20

It was More or Less, presented by the rock solid numbers man Tim Hartford.

SabrinaThwaite · 16/01/2026 21:36

Link here:

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002pqgv

dipsticked · 17/01/2026 11:14

Love Tim Hartford. Just listened. It's 5 mins of scrutiny on the numbers of private school closures since Labour came into power. For anyone who can't find time to listen, the conclusion is that the jury is still out on the impact of the tax, but that the Daily Mail headline of "more than 100 closures due to the tax" is very inaccurate. No surprises there then.

TeenagersAngst · 17/01/2026 11:17

dipsticked · 17/01/2026 11:14

Love Tim Hartford. Just listened. It's 5 mins of scrutiny on the numbers of private school closures since Labour came into power. For anyone who can't find time to listen, the conclusion is that the jury is still out on the impact of the tax, but that the Daily Mail headline of "more than 100 closures due to the tax" is very inaccurate. No surprises there then.

Haven’t listened yet but surely it’s akin to ‘died with Covid’ vs ‘died of Covid’. In some cases the lines were blurred and I’m sure they will be with private schools who may already have been financially vulnerable.

VanCleefArpels · 17/01/2026 11:20

It’s easy to demonstrate a causal link between VAT and school closing if there are many pupils leaving in one go because of the fees. Less easy
is to show schools closing because they are not getting the applications because how can you prove where parents might have placed their children without the rise in fees? This is why the VAT increase is particularly damaging to small Prep schools - parents deciding to avoid altogether from KG / Reception and opting for their local state school.

dipsticked · 17/01/2026 11:26

The figures in the programme show that more schools have opened than closed. And if course, the number of students at each school is a factor too.

They did say there's a relative increase in VAT-free places for children with EHCPs. No surprises there.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 17/01/2026 15:58

Even if a falling birth rate has had an impact, there was no need for a government (which is meant to protect jobs) to make thing even worse for the sector. I reckon the staff in private schools would have preferred it if extra challenges hadn’t been thrown into the mix. Good old Labour, eh?

VanCleefArpels · 17/01/2026 16:34

dipsticked · 17/01/2026 11:26

The figures in the programme show that more schools have opened than closed. And if course, the number of students at each school is a factor too.

They did say there's a relative increase in VAT-free places for children with EHCPs. No surprises there.

I wonder if they are counting mergers as creating a new school? This is what’s happening where i am, schools huddling together to try to survive.

dipsticked · 17/01/2026 17:00

VanCleefArpels · 17/01/2026 16:34

I wonder if they are counting mergers as creating a new school? This is what’s happening where i am, schools huddling together to try to survive.

If it has a new Establishment Number (which you can check on the government's Get Information About Schools website) then it is a new school.

Inevitably, schools that had dwindling numbers anyway might be pushed over the edge by the affordability issues.

The overall number of private school places rose last year, but that seems to be at least partially fuelled by increases in SEN places.

There has only been one annual school census published since Labour got in to government (the Jan 2025 census was published in summer 2025) so it's simply not yet possible to determine a trend.

ScholesPanda · 17/01/2026 17:20

If private school parents/grandparents were honest we can all see these trends. For years there has been a move towards co-educational from single sex; to all-through schools from separate prep/senior schools; and from boarding to day schools. I'm talking about the 'ordinary' private school sector here- not the very top end.

DN was in a private school that closed twenty years ago- it was all-girls and had dwindled to about 60 pupils, coincidentally the Cathedral School in the same city had recently moved to being co-educational, and about half the girls including DN ended up there the following year.

The private primary that DGS was attending has closed since the VAT announcement and listed it as a contributory factor. The reality is that school rolls have been trending downwards for years, and there were 6 children in his year, which just wasn't a sustainable number without cranking the fees to a level the school couldn't justify. The biggest factors- the local state primary has steadily improved, eroding the differential; and the senior schools this school once fed in the area have mostly moved to a 5-18 model or have their own primary schools now, and offer facilities you would previously only have had post 11.

As someone said up thread, these schools are businesses even when run as charities, and they absolutely compete for both quality and quantity of pupils.

VanCleefArpels · 17/01/2026 20:26

The overall number of private school places rose last year, but that seems to be at least partially fuelled by increases in SEN places.

I know at least 2 prep schools that closed and have been taken over by SEN providers

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