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Tell me about the American school system...(please)

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MrsSchadenfreude · 28/05/2008 20:43

We are probably moving overseas in a couple of years and it is likely that we will have to consider putting the DDs in an American international school, as a lot of the British schools overseas only do primary. We would go for one which did the IB (most seem to), and then if we came back to the UK, they could go to an American school in London and we could live in our faaabulous flat (something we haven't achieved yet).

But what are the pros and cons of the system? Both girls quite bright, not whizzy genius, but not dim.

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pickledpear · 29/05/2008 13:24

i have been on campus many times too ne in Surrey and know of kids attending one in Bangladesh now.
They hate english high schools in comparison by the way
Ithink the best thing with American schools are that they have every facility going it is like a little community all on one site a family feeling and united in that they all have parents either working long hours or away even they are from all nationalities which is lovely they have strong bonds and friendships
now i am waffling sorry
the Education is not meant to be as good as english but if your children are bright they wont have any problems

not as helpful as you wanted but a start

Sammy3 · 30/05/2008 15:39

I went to school in America from age 10 through to university. I went to normal state schools though so I couldn't tell you about American International Schools.

In my experience, there's a huge difference between the education provided in wealthy areas compared to poorer ones (far greater than in England). So, it's very important to choose your neighbourhood carefully. That applies even more so to the facilities that the schools have. I was several years ahead of the kids in my class when I started school there & basically coasted through my classes (bored stiff but excelling). By the time I finished high school, I had forgotten how to study & really struggled at university. There were many in my high school class who barely knew basic maths & English, but graduated with a high school diploma. The problem is that, unlike GCSEs or A levels, there are no standard exams that all students have to pass in order to receive a diploma. I know many people don't like exams, but at least they ensure that an A level at 1 school is the same as another. American high school diplomas just require that students pass the high school curriculum which really leaves it in the hands of the school & I'll let you guess what happens in schools where too high a percentage of the graduating class are failing.

kbd · 31/05/2008 14:12

As an American, I can tell you that it is really hard to characterize the American school system. It depends a great deal on where you are going. If you are going to the US, then I would say you get a much better education in either a wealthier area or in a private school. That said, every city has good schools and bad, and the big cities have the best schools in the country- NY, DC, LA, Denver, etc. State schools outdside Washington were in the top 100 schools in the country this year. An international school in the US would be expensive and would house mostly non-English speaking kids, but would be diverse.

Outside the US, American international schools vary widely and are dependent largely on the country they are in. We, for example, live in Germany, and the American International schools here are roughly one year behind their American counterparts, because Germany does not require entrance until 6 and the cut off is June 1, so lots of kids who would start kindergarten with fall birthdays are a year back. Also, the German system is not rigourous in the first couple of years, and more than half the kids are coming into school without English. This makes it hard for kids who are already reading and speaking English in the early years programs, as the schools focus on the kids with language needs. At the secondary level the IB program is much more uniform country to country. At the secondary level, International schools have very good extracurricular activities, travel, and emphasis on community awareness. The IB is quite a rigourous diploma, certainly moreso than a regular American diploma and it targets more applied thought than the standard AP tests do. Keep in mind that while the American system starts a bit later, the R-2 years of the British system would roughly be covered in 2 years, rather than 3 in the American and from year 3 (American 2) the curricula are very similar until year 7, when location and individual school resources make American schools very diverse. This numbering difference may mean that the kids drop back a year to be with their peers or at the appropriate level.

Outside the US, the international schools do provide moms with a lot of help and networking which can make settling in easier, and the kids are all moving about so they are used to welcoming new kids and making friends very quickly. That said, turnover can be as much as 50%-60% in a given year.

We have our son in a British school, as he is in primary, and we found that for the early years the British schools are more uniform, have a dependable curriculum (which is not always the case overseas) and they put a bit more emphasis on memorization, which I think is still important. The early years in the American system are hands on and abstract to a fault, often emphasizing creativity and expression but not giving the kids enought material (memorized dates/facts/ numbers, etc.) to be creative with. At the upper level, however, the American system has a lot more room for diversity of kids, and one is not locked out of higher education if one slacks at 14. The system is much, much more forgiving to teenage inconsistency.

artichokes · 31/05/2008 14:18

I went to High School in the US and then came back to university here. I loved my US school and beleive I got a great education (it was inthe top ten High Schools in California). Children are not asked to specialise like they are over here so you can keep a wide range of interest going which is really healthy IMO.

They only problem I had is that many British universities have snobby attitudes to the US system. They do not beleive it is as good and are concerned that you have not specialised in the area you wish to do your degree. I wanted to do medicine and many UK medical schools would not consider me because I had a US High School Diploma instead of A-levels. I think it is very unfair but it is sadly true and something you should be aware of.

nametaken · 31/05/2008 19:12

British education system is the best in the world.

When American children finish their schooling at 18, they have only been educated to GSCE level, not A level like british children. They then have another 2 years "college" to bring them up to speed. This is why all middle class american families go beserk saving for "college fund" the minute their kids are born.

artichokes · 31/05/2008 19:30

Nametaken - I disagree. I went to school over here until the end of GCSEs and then went to US High School for A-level years. I got 5 A* and 4 As at GCSE at a decent comp. I then went to a very good American High School. In English and humanities I was probably way ahead of the classes in the US, in maths and sciences I was behind all the bright pupils and had to start by taking sophmore level classes (equiv to second year of GCSE). In languages I was woefully behind. I also found the work ethic in the US was much better and I no longer felt "uncool" when working hard.

However, I do agree that British universities think our education system is the best in the world. That is why I encountered such problems getting into a British medical school. Interestingly Oxford and Cambridge do not discriminate against the US High School diploma, but that is partly because they have their own entrance exams.

artichokes · 31/05/2008 19:30

Nametaken - I disagree. I went to school over here until the end of GCSEs and then went to US High School for A-level years. I got 5 A* and 4 As at GCSE at a decent comp. I then went to a very good American High School. In English and humanities I was probably way ahead of the classes in the US, in maths and sciences I was behind all the bright pupils and had to start by taking sophmore level classes (equiv to second year of GCSE). In languages I was woefully behind. I also found the work ethic in the US was much better and I no longer felt "uncool" when working hard.

However, I do agree that British universities think our education system is the best in the world. That is why I encountered such problems getting into a British medical school. Interestingly Oxford and Cambridge do not discriminate against the US High School diploma, but that is partly because they have their own entrance exams.

MrsSchadenfreude · 31/05/2008 20:39

Thank you all - that's really helpful. I was thinking of one that did the IB in 6th form (or whatever it's called now). My two went to a British international school for a few years and I wasn't too impressed with that.

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Sammy3 · 03/06/2008 12:38

nametaken, Americans don't go to college to "bring them up to speed" - college & university are the same thing in America. Basically a university over there is a group of colleges, which I think is similar to the system at Oxford. Maybe you're referring to community college, which is generally used by students who failed to get the marks needed for college/university & allows them to study for 2 years in the hope of going on to college/university afterwards. When Americans refer to "college fund" they mean college/university fund.

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