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Lady Manners school vs Hope Valley College, Derbyshire

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mumzy · 27/05/2008 20:13

just wanted some opinions/inside info about these 2 schools. We are looking to relocate to the hope valley area when our ds hits secondary school age in a few years time. We have been looking at properties in the area and it seems there is a cachet if they are in LMS catchment area. We have seen a house in Eyam we like which is not LMS catchment but Hope Valley college.
Is LMS significantly better than HVC and if so in what ways. Also do the school catchment areas here ever change?

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nellyraggbagg · 27/05/2008 22:08

I'm from the area (though went to private school elsewhere), and my parents still live there. LMS does have some considerable cachet - people in Buxton have children there rather than anywhere else, and the house prices for LMS catchment area are considerably higher, reflecting its apparent desirability. I can't comment on the school as I didn't go there, but it is very highly spoken of by all my parents' neighbours. However, only you can know by visiting which school would suit your DS better - desirable/highly regarded doesn't necessarily make it the right school for all children!

I don't think catchment areas tend to change. If LMS is very oversubscribed, they'd presumably allocate places on the basis of sibling rules, then distance from the school.

Eyam is lovely, even if it isn't in the LMS catchment area! We tried to move to Baslow a couple of years ago, but were priced out of the Baslow housing market...!!

janeite · 27/05/2008 22:10

My friend's children are at LMs and very happy there. That doesn't help you much though sorry!

I can find out more specific stuff from my friend if any use?

mumzy · 28/05/2008 08:59

hi thanks for both those comments we'll have to go and have a look at both schools and see what we think. Janeite I'd be grateful if you could ask your friend what aspects of the school she finds good eg. teaching, behaviour, discipline and if she knows why HVC is so undesirable.

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nellyraggbagg · 28/05/2008 09:12

PS - FWIW, a couple of girls were expelled from my school (for truly appalling misdemeanours), and LMS wouldn't accept them - but HVC did! This was 20-odd years ago, of course, and things might have changed - but that's how they were then...

mumzy · 28/05/2008 16:20

Gosh! the mind boggles!! I wondered what were the chances of gettig into LMS if you were not in the catchment area but near to the school (ie. in eyam) anyone out there been successful??

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nellyraggbagg · 28/05/2008 19:02

I think one involved poo-smearing, and the other a tampon!!!

And my auntie told me only the other day that I was lucky to have been at such a superb school with such nice girls...

Based on no experience, I'd have thought LMS was so over-subscribed by people within the official catchment area that you'd struggle to make a case for Eyam - but, as I say, that's pure guesswork, and I hope someone else corrects me!

mumzy · 28/05/2008 20:32

Blimey I'll ask no more!!
Anyway We're beginning to like this house in Eyam so much now that we are considering other reputatable state or private schools if we can't get ds1+DS2 into LMS. Anyone know of any other reputatable state or independant secondary schools in the area either boys or co ed which would'nt be too much of pain to get to? Many thanks for all advice and comments made so far

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nellyraggbagg · 28/05/2008 21:28

Yet more pontificating from me, I'm afraid, but since you ask...

Can't comment on state provision in the area (beyond what I've already mentioned) - but I think LMS and HVC are the state choices. Independent secondary - none in the Peak District area. There's a superb prep school in Bakewell, but it only takes children up to 13. However, lots of people live in the Peaks/Hope Valley and have children at independent schools in Sheffield. Birkdale is excellent for boys only (4-18); Westbourne is co-ed up to 16 (in my day, it only went up to 11, and was boys-only - when it was said to cater for boys who couldn't get in to Birkdale. Things may well have moved on since then, though...). People routinely drop their children off in Dore Village so they can get the bus the rest of the way to school. There aren't any co-ed independent schools that take children from 11-18, but Birkdale does take girls in the sixth form only. I don't think there are many of them in practice, as most girls go to Sheffield High School (as I did) - but someone better informed may correct me on this score?

I'm reasonably up to date with independent schools as we looked into them a couple of years ago when we thought we might be moving to Sheffield (which we then didn't do!)

It's also just possible that Stockport Grammar (also independent) is somehow reachable from Eyam?? I think they run a bus service, but I'm not sure which areas it covers. Now I come to think of it, I think Birkdale does likewise for children who live in the Peak District...

I don't think I fully understood the expulsion episodes, but I think the tampon one involved a young male teacher finding that all his chalk had somehow turned into tampons...

mumzy · 29/05/2008 09:09

thanks nellyraggbagg all this is really useful info we reckon a similar house within the catchment area will cost at least £50000 more ( I know people say you get the extra back when you sell but I've heard that in some parts of Derbyshire school they've started allocating places in popular schools via a lottery system making catchment areas defunct) and so far we have'nt seen anything in the catchment area we like dp is really keen to have at least an acre of land with the house!!!. I worked in Sheffield for a couple of years and loved the peak district but not too familiar with the schools so your inside knowledge has been great.
We'll have to weigh up all the pros and cons and do our sums and have a good look round. I did also hear that the other side of the peak disctrict around Macclesfield was worth a look for good schools and nice properties Any insights there?

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ARimmer · 20/10/2009 16:36

I know both schools, both are excellent. HVC is in top 10 of all UK schools without 6th form. LMS has excellent reputation. Some interesting facts... LMS over 1200 students, HVC 450. Most prefects and head boy/girl at LMS are from HVC! Are you to visit them beforehand, both will gladly give you a tour.
Also, as it is so easy to join mumsnet, beware of students posting their ideas if they have a grudge! Yes, the students at both schools are aware of this site. Take care.

Rachelx · 27/11/2009 13:51

What is LMS like for meeting the needs of special education needs? My son is due to transfer to secondary school Sept 2010 & he has ADHD - Inattentive disorder. My sons new head of school says Hope Valley College is better suited to my sons needs, however this is not our catchment school - LMS is. Can anyone offer advise, does anyones kids with SEN go to either of these school? Stress time right now want to make the right decision!

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Heqet · 16/12/2009 12:34

I have heard it said that lady manners is livng on past glory. It has an excellent reputation but does it merit it here and now? I have been told things that make me think perhaps not.

It is a great school for the more acedemically gifted, not so for the technically minded. So it depends really how your kids are.

It has about 1600 pupils according to senco when I met with her to discuss the possibility of ds1 starting there.

HVC is smaller - about 600 (again told to me when I went there recently). More more geared to technical stuff. Also great results. Very much more flexible. If a child wants to do a certain subject that isn't currently offered - they'll find it and let the child take it! I like that.

If you have a child with sn, then tbh I'd recommend HV not LM. The senco at HV is a specialist - used to work for lea or something as some sort of autism advisory something (if you phone and ask they'll be able to tell you! )

Loshad · 21/12/2009 21:14

went to lms with ds 2 to play them at rugby - was really impressed for a state comp - i teach in one which is a million miles from lms. The staff were fab with the boys which always says a lot, and the lads themselves great. Very tempted to instantly upsticks and move down there :-))

mamtor2 · 25/03/2011 23:18

Aw crumbs - I've just done a massive critique on both schools and areas then realised I have to join first - have lost all. Never mind here we go again!

I live in HV and have two primary aged children, so hear all the gossip about the schools, HVC and LM included. Hope Valley is very beautiful - rugged hills great for mountain bikers, climbers, walkers and parascenders/hangliders etc - perfect for outdoorsy people but you won't feel like an alien if you're not! Lots of commuters to Sheffield and I believe Hathersage has the highest % of anaethetists and surgeons in the country (or something like that) HV consists of a number of villages (Eyam included). Bakewell is a town rather than a village - very beautiful, more rolling countryside with Chatsworth just a mile or two away. Has a good percentage of upper middle class people and if you're a yummy mummy you wouldn't be out of place. Lots of independent expensive shops in Bakewell.

Both places are expensive to buy houses but now is the time to buy with prices being a lot lower now than they have been.

LM school had a god like status when we first moved to the Peak District - I think that reputation has gone downhill over the last 5 years while HVC has gone from strength to strength. I heard that 47% of the current Y7s were from outside of the catchment area! Sounds huge doesn't it - probably because they had small year groups coming in from the village schools?

LM has very good and extensive sporting facilities whereas HVC has something to be desired HOWEVER, they do seem to have very good teams in the standard sports - netball, rugby etc - I don;t know about LM but I guess they'd be pretty strong too as the school has 1600 pupils or thereabouts, HVC with just 5 or 600.

HVC has an amazing reputation for music and the arts which I always think is funny as its so good with its technical subjects rather than academic. It puts on amazing presentations, the last one being Les Mis which blew me away, I couldn't believe I was watching 14 and 15 year olds, it was like a west end show! The singing was so professional. Their woodwind ensemble is very popular and not just for the geeks - it is seen as being really cool to be in it!

HVC might be better for younger children as it is so much smaller than LM, mind you they still think it is massive compared to the village schools!

One downer against HVC which personally I'm not too sure about but I know it bugs the hell out of a lot of parents, is the lack of uniform and the generally slovenly look of the kids. The head has a very laissez-faire approach and the kids are given a lot of choices and responsibility whereas LM has strict uniform and I think suits academics and "yes sir" kids. I think LM gives a lot better impression if you are looking around but don't be too taken in as I've heard it has had quite a drugs problem. I'm sure HVC has it as well, but I haven't heard the stories like I've heard about LM.

Hope this helps with your choices - if you visit the schools make sure you talk to the kids there too.

mamtor2 · 25/03/2011 23:26

Doh - just seen the date on this! Hope your kids are happy with the choice you will already have made!

mumzas · 10/04/2011 17:22

Somebody said that the HVC choir is just for girls but it is a lie because my friends son is in the choir there.

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