ANY TEACHERS ON? Can someone explain about teacher's pay and holidays to me please.

[cornsilk]

I should know this, being a teacher.
I know that teacher's don't get paid for all their holidays, but does anyone know the exact figures?

If you only work 4 mornings, iCod then you don't get much PPA time. Some people may get away with doing less work but in order to survive in the classroom I need to be very well prepared and extremely well organised.You tend to do more than you should anyway when you are part time, like staff meetings.Sorry-I did misunderstand foofi-A day is 6.5 hours.

Cod - I love the fact that you say you 'never work from home'. Never??

How much an hour depends on where you are on the pay scale. I do supply, generally, because it cuts out most of the work. I go in, follow the plan, mark and go home.

Obviously in case you didn't all realise her uniqueness, cod is the only teacher in the british isles who never does any work at home. I guess researching genital warts etc doesn't count!

For the rest of us, slightly more realistic teachers, there will always be the necessity for some work at home and it is up to the individual to manage that as well as possible. Being on supply has its advantages, ie no reports or parents evenings, but the security of a contract is often more important to people.

I actually prefer a contract. I don't like the worry of the 7.30am phone call for emergency supply! Following other people's planning can be a challenge! I only do a few schools, so at least I know the staff and children.A part time contract is my ideal but unfortunately mine comes to an end shortly.

Supply do get paid for holidays - it is included in the daily/hourly paid. A supply teacher, if being paid standard rate such as through the LEA agencies, will earn exactly the same as a contractual teacher if they work exact same number of days/hours in a year.

A friend did regular supply and earnt exactly the same as I did on a 0.6 contract when he worked an average of 3 days a week.

TA contracts are often different as they are contracted for a set number of weeks, and often this is not 52 weeks, although many are for more than the term time 39 weeks, assuming TAs must be expected to go in for a few days on holidays I guess.

I left teaching partly due to the workload in my own time. i did 0.6 contract but ended up using too muchof my own time, outside of school, doing prep and marking; got to the point where I didn't want it anymore. Loads better now as in current job I can't take work home - yeah!

I used to work for an LEA - bear in mind that this is six years or so ago - and we used a figure of 1265 hours per year as the full-time teaching load. So if you are on a 0.6 contract, you would be paid as if you were working six-tenths of those annual hours. A year was taken to be 52.14 weeks, so all holiday/INSET etc. accounted for.

This was countrywide at the time, but might have changed since I left. We also used to work out supply rates on this basis, but that varied according to LEA/agency iirc.

www.teachernet.gov.uk/_doc/11807/web_stpc_2007.pdf
teachers are contracted to work 1265 directed hours per year.

A year is taken to be 39 weeks. If you work pt you are still entitled to 10% of the hours you work PPA time our 0.4 teacher gets 1hr per week PPA.

Should add supply teachers aren't entitled to PPA but PT teachers are.

My p/t salary has decreased by 1k this year due to changes in school day although I still teach the same no of pupils and classes .

My ex husband didn't often have to work at home because he'd got all the preparation etc going and it just rolled on and he had had a lot of practice - although he had a lot of reports to write. But I think he said when you first start teaching there is a lot of preparation and then over time you get getting at it and it gets on to a roll and is much less.

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Heated how has your salary decreased if you teach the same classes? Have your hours been cut?

Hi Cornsilk, p/t pay in my school's a matter of contention.

At my place they have tweaked with the school day which mysteriously means that last year I was on 18 hours (or 1080 minutes, or 0.626FTE) per week, this year 16 hours 45 mins (or 1005 mins, or 0.582FTE) for 3 days work - or 1k less this year. My childcare needs remain the same. My actual teaching time remains the same, in fact I leave 5 minutes later at the end of the day, but according to the head it depends on whether I teach either side of break .

Heated that's appalling- your head is taking the piss. Have you spoken to your union?

When I did supply last year, I got paid for 6.5 hours per day. I think the rate was £21 per hour. The 6.5 hours was basically five lessons plus breaks. I did not have to do registrations, and if I did, I got paid extra.

Supply rates basically include holiday pay, so they are slightly higher than the hourly rate for a regular teacher's directed time.

Supply teachers walk out at the end of the day, so there is no work to do at home. Last year I did supply in one school and a two month contract in another in the same LEA. The contract work was much harder as I had to do all my P&P in my own time. I thought I had made a bad choice by accepting the contract position, but the advantage was knowing that I had fulltime work, getting CPD, and the all important reference.

In my current job (permanent), I do very little at home. I don't like bringing books home in case I forget them, or the dog eats them . The type of stuff I will do at home is to hunt the internet for little snippets (not essential to lessons, and can be done while I am watching Eastenders).

I do try to arrive at school about an hour before the start of registration or early morning meetings to get my personal work done. I tend to stay at school for about an hour extra on one day a week to do marking/planning. I imagine that I work about 50 hours in a typical week.

Thanks Cornsilk.

I got part way talking with the union who sounded supportive but were useless at following anything up, then got bogged down in the job & tbh let it drift.... I know

Head said that the pay structure was in line with the LEA.

I should, when my timetable is agreed for next year, make further enquiries.

You're not with ATL are you? I am and have found them crap when I've actually needed them to sort out stuff like that for me.

About TAs pay, it still seems to vary a lot in different parts of the country - they keep talking about standardisation but I don't think they've achieved it yet...
I work in a school; I'm ICT support, but I get paid on the same basis as a TA. I actually work full time, which is 37 hours a week, but most TAs at our school are between 20 & 30 hours a week.

We work 39 weeks of the year, but we get holiday pay too - I actually get paid for 43.26 weeks.

So if you take a job that is advertised as paying £15,000 pa pro rata, you'd actually get £15,000/37x25/52x43.26, or about £8430 - and that's before deductions.

I think a lot of LAs have gone over to paying supply teachers and TAs "sessionaly" so they only get the actual hours of the session rather than half days as previously. Cost cutting?

Many teachers rely on planning and activities they have done year after year...good practice? I've been teaching a number of years but change my planning each year, it would be easy to keep a file and just turn to the page I did this time last year but hardly developing as a teacher and keeping up to date with new ideas. I probably work as many hours out of school as I do in school.